Watch full 2020 VP debate: Mike Pence, Kamala Harris face off in Utah

>>> HELLO, EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES, VICE
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES MIKE
PENCE AND KAMALA HARRIS WILL
TAKE THE STAGE FOR THEIR ONE
AND ONLY DEBATE OF THE 2020
ELECTION. NO MATTER WHO WINS IN
NOVEMBER THE NEXT PRESIDENT
WILL BE THE OLDEST IN UNITED
STATES HISTORY.
THAT PLACE IS ADDED PRESSURE ON
THEIR RUNNING MATES AS THE
POTENTIAL FUTURE OF THEIR
RESPECTIVE PARTIES. THEY WILL
BE SEATED 12 FEET APART WITH
TWO PLEXIGLAS DIVIDERS PLACED
BETWEEN THEM. úNIKOLE KILLION AS
JOINED ME FROM SALT LAKE CITY.
WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. úNIKOLE, L
WHAT WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE
VIDEO RELEASED BY THE PRESIDENT
IS?
>> Reporter: I THINK THAT THE
SAME OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS
IT IS TO SHOW THAT HE IS WELL
AND THAT HE IS BACK AND BACK ON
THE JOB EVEN THOUGH HIS DOCTORS
HAD NOT OFFICIALLY CLEARED HIM.
EVEN THOUGH WE DO NOT KNOW WHEN
HE HAD HIS LAST NEGATIVE TEST
FOR COVID. EVEN THOUGH WE DO
NOT KNOW IF HE IS FULLY HEALED
HE'S TRYING TO PROJECT THAT
IMAGE THAT HE IS WELL.
CERTAINLY HIS SYMPTOMS HAVE
IMPROVED.
I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST TO
STAY OUT IN FRONT OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE. THIS MESSAGE
TONIGHT WAS SIMPLY ANOTHER
CONTINUATION OF THE PRESIDENT
SUGGESTING THAT THIS WAS A GIFT
OF GOD THAT HE GOT THE
CORONAVIRUS. INTERPRET THAT AS
YOU WILL, BUT AGAIN THE
PRESIDENT IS CONTINUING TO TRY
TO PROJECT THIS IMAGE OF
STRENGTH AS HE RECOVERS FROM
THE VIRUS.
>> CAITLIN, VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE HAS LARGELY STAYED OUT OF
THE SPOTLIGHT. WHAT SHOULD WE
EXPECT FROM HIM TONIGHT?
>> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT.
AT VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES
YOU TYPICALLY EXPECT THE
CANDIDATE TO PLAY THIS FIERCE
DEFENDER, ATTACK DOG ROLE.
IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THE
ROLES HAVE REALLY BEEN REVERSED
WITH DONALD TRUMP GOING ON THE
ATTACK OFTEN AND MIKE PENCE
KIND OF SERVING AS THE CALMING
AND MORE MODERATING FORCE, OR
AT LEAST ATTEMPTING TO. I THINK
WHAT WE WILL SEE TONIGHT IS AN
ATTEMPT TO DO A COUPLE OF
DIFFERENT THINGS. FIRST, TRYING
TO PAINT KAMALA HARRIS AS A
FIGURE OF THE FAR LEFT.
WITHIN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
REALLY STRUGGLED TO DEFINE JOE
BIDEN AND MAKE CARICATURES OF
SOCIALISM STICK TO HIM. I THINK
THEY WILL TRY TO DO THAT
TONIGHT THROUGH KAMALA HARRIS.
THE REASON THAT THEY WANT TO DO
THAT IS THEY ARE TRYING TO
REACH OUT TO DISENFRANCHISED
REPUBLICAN VOTERS OF VOTERS
THAT SAY THEY DO NOT LIKE THE
PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR OR HOW HE
ACTS OR WHAT HE SAYS SO MIKE
PENCE IS THE CONDUIT TRYING TO
WIN THEM BACK.
WE EXPECT HE WILL DO THAT BY
TRYING TO PIN HARRIS.
>> NIKOLE, IN HER YEARS IN THE
SENATE KAMALA HARRIS GAINED A
REPUTATION AS A TOUGH
QUESTIONNAIRE.
HOW WILL THINGS BE DIFFERENT
NOW THAT SHE IS ANSWERING
QUESTIONS TONIGHT?
>> Reporter: I THINK THAT YOU
WILL SEE A MIX OF THAT. ANYTIME
WE HAVE SEEN SENATOR HARRIS ON
THE DEBATE STAGE, OFTEN TIMES
SHE HAS BEEN VERY POINTED AND
EVEN IN HER ROLLOUT AS THE VICE
PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, SHE HAS
HAD THIS VERY FIRM STANCE WHEN
IT COMES TO SPEAKING ABOUT THE
ADMINISTRATION AND WHAT THE
BIDEN CAMPAIGN SEES AS ITS
FAILURES, NAMELY IN THIS
PANDEMIC AND NAMELY IN REGARD
TO COVID. I THINK YOU WILL SEE
A CONTINUATION OF THAT ON THE
DEBATE STAGE. TO WHAT EXTENT
SHE TAKES AIM AT THE
PRESIDENT'S RESPONSE IN
PARTICULAR SINCE HE IS
RECOVERING FROM CORONAVIRUS
REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
SOME ON HER TEAM HAVE BEEN
CRITICAL OF THE WAY THAT HE HAS
HANDLED HIMSELF TRYING TO
RECOVER FROM THIS VIRUS. THAT
IS ONE AREA TO WATCH THIS
EVENING.
>> CAITLIN, SINCE JOHN ADAMS
FIRST HELD THE OFFICE OF VICE
PRESIDENT 14 OF 47 VICE
PRESIDENTS HAVE GONE OFF TO BE
PRESIDENT REGARDLESS OF WHO
WINS IN NOVEMBER. ARE THEY THE
LIKELY FAVORITES FOR THE
PARTIES NEXT OPEN NOMINATION?
>> Reporter: THAT BIT OF TRIVIA
HAS ACTUALLY BECOME MORE
INTERESTING TO PEOPLE OVER THE
PAST COUPLE OF DAYS WITH THE
PRESIDENT HAVING BEEN IN THE
HOSPITAL FOR CORONAVIRUS.
IT RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
LINE OF SUCCESSION AND WHAT
HAPPENS IF THE PRESIDENT IS
INCAPACITATED.
IT'S PLACED A BIGGER SPOTLIGHT
ON THESE CANDIDATES CERTAINLY
TONIGHT IN THIS DEBATE. THAT IS
A FACTOR. ANOTHER FACTOR IS THE
FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP AND JOE
BIDEN ARE OLDER CANDIDATES.
THIS HAS ALSO PLACED MORE OF A
SPOTLIGHT ON THE NUMBER TWO
THAN IT MAY HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN
IF THE TOP OF THE TICKET WERE
YOUNGER.
TONIGHT COULD BE SEEN AS A SHOW
OF WHAT THE FUTURE OF THESE TWO
PARTIES LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THEY
REPRESENT. KAMALA HARRIS
CERTAINLY BY BEING A HISTORIC
CHOICE, THE FIRST BLACK WOMAN
NOMINATED TO BE VICE PRESIDENT,
WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS GOING
THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS
HE SAID THAT THE PERSON THAT HE
PICKS, HE WANTED TO BE A BRIDGE
TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
>> THANK YOU NIKOLE AND CAITLIN
.
>>> PREVIOUS VICE PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATES HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE
LITTLE TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME
OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION,
BUT THE CURRENT SITUATION IN
OUR COUNTRY MEANS TONIGHT'S
MEETING BETWEEN KAMALA HARRIS
AND MIKE PENCE COULD TAKE ON
GREATER SIGNIFICANCE.
THE TOP INFECTIOUS DISEASE
EXPERT IN THE NATION'S WARNING
THAT CORONAVIRUS DEATHS IN THE
U.S. COULD NEARLY DOUBLE TO
400,000 BY THE END OF THIS YEAR
. NEW CASES HAVE RISEN IN THE
PAST TWO WEEKS IN 30 STATES AND
THE DISTRICT OF OLYMPIA.
THE MIDWEST AND GREAT PLAINS
ARE BECOMING HOTSPOTS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ON TREATMENT
IS ALSO CALLING ATTENTION OF
THE ROLE OF THE VICE PRESIDENT
AND THE LINE OF SUCCESSION.
AS WE MENTIONED THE NEXT
PRESIDENT WHETHER IT IS DONALD
TRUMP OR JOE BIDEN WILL BE THE
OLDEST IN U.S. HISTORY.
THE FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT
SECRETARY OF STATE AND SENIOR
ADVISOR TO HILLARY CLINTON IS
JOINING NOW.
THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.
MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WE NOW
HAVE ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MINDS
AND VOTED.
HOW DOES THAT CHANGE THE
DYNAMIC OF THE DEBATE TONIGHT
AND THE RACE OVERALL?
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
WE ALL SAY THAT DEBATES DON'T
MATTER AND PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY
MADE UP THEIR MINDS.
IF EITHER MIKE PENCE OR KAMALA
HARRIS WERE TO TURN IN A
PARTICULARLY TERRIBLE
PERFORMANCE I THINK THAT WE
WOULD PROBABLY SEE A TEST TO
WHETHER OR NOT DEBATES DO OR DO
NOT MATTER.
AT THE VERY LEAST YOU WANT TO
HOLD. YOU DO NOT WANT TO GO OUT
THERE AND GIVE YOUR OPPONENT
ANYTHING TO LATCH ONTO IN ANY
KIND OF MEANINGFUL WAY.
IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE HOW 90
MINUTES EITHER OF THESE FOLKS
WILL DO MUCH TO LOSE OR WIN THE
RACES.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 26 DAYS
AWAY FROM ELECTION DAY AND
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ALREADY
VOTING.
IT TAKES TO SOMETHING PRETTY
TITANIC. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO
SAY THINGS BECAUSE I WILL JINX
IT BUT DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO
LOSE THIS RACE.
I DO NOT KNOW BY HOW MUCH BUT
HE IS GOING TO LOSE. HE IS
LOSING IT FOR THE VERY REASONS
THAT IF YOU JUST TURN ON THE
DEBATE TONIGHT AND TURN OFF THE
SOUND, YOU ARE SEEING
PLEXIGLASS IN BETWEEN THE
NOMINEES.
YOU ARE SEEING NOBODY REALLY
THERE EXCEPT 60 PEOPLE SPACED
APART. AMERICANS ARE DYING.
THE COUNTRY IS AN ABSOLUTE
TERRIBLE SHAPE.
THERE IS NOT MUCH MIKE PENCE
CAN DO TO MAKE ANYBODY FORGET
THAT. THE FACT THAT HE IS EVEN
GOING TO TRY IS A SIGN OF THE
PROBLEM THAT THE TRUMP TEAM HAS.
>> LET ME ASK YOU A LITTLE BIT
MORE ABOUT THAT.
WE ARE SEEING VIDEO OF THE
PLEXIGLAS DIVIDERS THAT ARE
PLACED IN BETWEEN WHERE THE
CANDIDATES ARE GOING TO BE
SITTING.
IT IS A REMINDER.
IT'S A VISUAL REMINDER OF THE
CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC THAT
AMERICANS ARE LIVING WITH RIGHT
NOW.
THE VICE PRESIDENT IS
FREQUENTLY USED TO DEFEND OR
SELL THE ADMINISTRATION'S
POLICIES. HE HAS ALSO BEEN A
VOCAL CRITIC OF THOSE THAT
DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT.
HOW WILL ALL OF THAT PLAY INTO
SENATOR HARRIS'S STRATEGY
TONIGHT?
>> SENATOR HARRIS IS WELL
CAPABLE TO DISMANTLE MIKE PENCE.
I THINK WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT
FOR SENATOR HARRIS AND THE
BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS TO REMEMBER
WHAT THEY ALREADY KNOW.
KAMALA HARRIS DOES NOT NEED TO
DISMANTLE MIKE PENCE TONIGHT.
SHE COULD GO OUT THERE AND EAT
A SANDWICH OR CATCH UP ON HER
STREAMING ON HER iPAD AND THAT
IS FINE.
SHE DOES NOT NEED TO WIN THE
GAME. IT'S A VERY BIG
DIFFERENCE WITH MIKE PENCE.
YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS
IS NOT A HARRIS VERSUS PENTZ
DEBATE. YES, THOSE ARE THE
HUMAN BEINGS THAT WE SEE THERE
BUT THIS IS TRUMP VERSUS BIDEN.
THE MORE THAT THEY GET INTO IT
AS EACH OTHER IT IS REALLY SORT
OF POINTLESS, THE SAME WAY IT
WAS POINTLESS LAST WEEK.
MIKE PENCE IS A VERY DIFFERENT
ANIMAL. HE'S VERY DISCIPLINED
AND HE IS RELENTLESS AND HE IS
FAR MORE EFFECTIVE AND VICIOUS
THAT PEOPLE REALIZE. HE
RELISHES GOING ON THE ATTACK.
HE WILL TAKE EVERYTHING THAT
DONALD TRUMP SAYS THAT SOUND
STRANGE OR OFF OR A BLATANT LIE
AND IT WILL SOUND MORE
COMPELLING COMING FROM HIM.
HE WILL SAY IT IN A WAY THAT
WOULD BE MUCH HARDER TO
MALINGERER. EVERYBODY LISTENING
TO THIS CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW
SHOULD ASK THEMSELVES, WITHOUT
USING GOOGLE, WHAT IS THE THING
I REMEMBER THAT MIKE PENCE SAID
THAT HE REALLY SHOULD NOT HAVE
SAID.
I CAN EVEN ANSWER IT FOR HE
DOES NOT, THE BIGGEST MISTAKE
HE EVER MADE WAS TAKING THIS JOB
. WHILE HE HAS HAD THE JOB HE'S
NOT SOMEBODY THAT MAKES
UNFORCED ERRORS READ HIS
PROBLEM, WHICH IS KAMALA
HARRIS'S WAY TO GO TONIGHT IS
THAT HE DOES NOT SEE ANYTHING
THAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE AS A
MISTAKE.
FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES HE
HAS ALWAYS STOOD NEXT TO HIM,
MIKE PENCE HAS BEEN NEXT TO A
MORE BEHIND HIM OR REPEATED AT
THE NEXT DAY.
THAT IS HOW YOU TRY TO GO AFTER
HIM.
THIS IS NOT A COMMENTARY ON
SENATOR HARRIS. I WOULD IN NO
WAY WANT TO DEBATE HER BUT I
ALSO WOULD NOT WANT TO DEBATE
MIKE PENCE AND I WOULD NOT WANT
TO GO OUT HIM WITH ANY KIND OF,
I'VE GOT SOME MOMENTS WHERE I
WILL GET YOU.
I WOULD TALK TO THE CAMERA AND
I WOULD SAY I'M SITTING NEXT TO
DONALD TRUMP.
I'M SITTING NEXT TO THE PERSON
THAT DID NOT EVEN WANT TO BE
SEPARATED. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE
PLEXIGLASS BETWEEN US EITHER,
BUT THE REASON WE ARE IS
BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T GET THIS
STRAIGHT.
>> I WANT TO PLAY SOME OF
SENATOR HARRIS QUESTIONING
TRUMP NOMINEES.
LET'S LISTEN TO THAT.
>> JUDGE, HAVE YOU EVER
DISCUSSED SPECIAL COUNSEL
MUELLER OR HIS INVESTIGATION
WITH ANYONE?
>> WELL, IT'S IN THE NEWS EVERY
DAY.
>> HAVE YOU DISCUSSED IT WITH
ANYONE?
>> WITH OTHER JUDGES, I KNOW.
IT IS NOT A SHORT ANSWER.
>> EITHER YOU ARE WILLING TO DO
THAT OR NOT.
ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR HAS
EVERYBODY ANYBODY AT THE WHITE
HOUSE SUGGESTED THAT YOU OPEN
AN INVESTIGATION OF ANYONE?
>> I WOULD NOT —
>> YES OR NO
>> COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION
>> IT IS ONE THING TO BE ASKING
THE QUESTIONS, IT'S ANOTHER TO
BE FIELDING THE QUESTIONS.
SENATOR HARRIS HAS NOT DEBATED
A REPUBLICAN SINCE 2010. GIVEN
WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT VICE
PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE, THE
MESSAGE DISCIPLINE, THE
ADHERENCE TO AN ATTACK LINE AND
THE EFFECTIVENESS WITH WHICH HE
IS ABLE TO DEPLOY THOSE LINES,
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR COUNSEL TO
SOMEBODY LIKE A SENATOR HARRIS
WHO DOES NOT HAVE THAT SAME
LEVEL OF EXPERIENCE IN THE
DEBATE ARENA AS SOMEBODY LIKE
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE?
>> FIRST OF ALL LET ME POINT
OUT, IT IS HARDER TO DEBATE
PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN PARTY THEN
IT IS A PEOPLE IN THE OTHER
PARTY.
WHEN SHE IS ON STAGE WITH MIKE
PENCE TONIGHT SHE KNOWS THAT
SHE DISAGREES WITH HIM ON JUST
ABOUT EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN
EXCEPT WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IT
IS.
WHEN YOU ARE ON STAGE DEBATING
JOE BIDEN OR BERNIE SANDERS OR
PETE 2, YOU AGREE SO MUCH MORE
THAN YOU DON'T, AND YOU HAVE TO
KEEP IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU LIKE
THIS PERSON OR I MIGHT WORK FOR
THIS PERSON, IT IS NOT EASY.
I THINK HER DEBATE PERFORMANCES
IN THE DEBATE SHE PARTICIPATED
IN WAS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD
PRACTICE.
AGAIN, WHAT SHE NEEDS TO DO,
WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED THERE
MIGHT BE A MOMENT LIKE THAT
WHERE SHE'S SAYING PLEASE
ANSWER MY QUESTION.
I HAVE A FEELING IF YOU ARE
SHOWING THAT VIDEO TOMORROW
MORNING IT'S BECAUSE HE HAD A
GOOD ANSWER AND THE MOMENT DID
NOT WORK.
THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT SHE
CANNOT PULL IT OFF, THAT SHE
SHOULD NOT TRY. THE WAY TO GET
HIM IS NOT A GOTCHA. IT'S NOT A
SENATE HEARING. HE WILL BE
PREPARED. HE WILL MAKE IT SOUND
LIKE MAYBE WE HAVE BEEN GIVING
TRUMP TO HEART OF THE TIME.
HE WILL PUT THEIR BEST FOOT
FORWARD.
HE WILL PUT THE BEST ARGUMENT
FORWARD.
HE WILL PUT THAT FORWARD THAT
DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT EVEN KNOW.
I THINK THAT SHE IS ALMOST
TALKING ABOUT MIKE PENCE WHEN
SHE'S THERE.
SHE IS ATTACKING DONALD TRUMP
AND MIKE PENCE JUST HAPPENS TO
BE SITTING THERE.
THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
SAYING, THE MODERATOR,
AUDIENCE, THE VICE PRESIDENT
SAID THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO
AWAY. HE AGREED WITH HIS BOSS
THAT IT WOULD GO AWAY. HE SAID
WE CAN HAVE TESTS AND WE HAVE
NOT HAD TEST.
OR YOU COULD SAY WHY DID YOU
SAY THERE WOULD BE TESTS.
IF YOU TURN TO HIM AND SAY THAT
TO HIM IT WILL KNOCK HIM OUT OF
THE PARK.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT YOU WILL
CATCH HIM WITH FLAT-FOOTED.
HE'S A MACHINE AND I DON'T
THINK THAT ANYBODY CAN EASILY
WITHOUT RELYING ON GOOGLE NAME
A MISTAKE THAT HE MADE IN TERMS
OF AN ERROR, NOT IN TERMS THAT
HE SAYS THINGS THAT DO NOT MAKE
SENSE.
HE IS PRETTY MISTAKE FREE. THE
ONUS IS NOT ON SENATOR HARRIS
TO LAND SOME KIND OF KNOCKOUT.
SHE JUST NEEDS TO DO EXACTLY
WHAT SHE DOES EVERY DAY WHICH
IS WHAT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN
DOES.
TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING
TO DO HOPEFULLY STARTING IN
ONLY A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW.
MIKE PENCE IS THE ONE THAT HAS
TO SHAKE THINGS UP.
FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN REPORTED HE
WANTS TO TALK ABOUT TERRORIS
WHAT YEAR IS HE LIVING IN THAT
HE IS GOING TO THAT BARREL OF
REPUBLICAN TRICKS THAT HE WILL
GO AFTER JOE BIDEN ON TERRORISM?
THAT'S NOT EVEN A TOP-FIVE
ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED
ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO
KNOCK CODE OF IT IS COVID OFF
THE STAGE BY TALKING ABOUT
TERRORISM?
I THINK THAT IS THE BIGGEST
ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY KNOW
THAT NOTHING IS WORKING.
>> 2020, OF COURSE, AMONG MANY
OTHER THINGS HAS BEEN A TIME OF
RECKONING IN THIS COUNTRY.
WHAT DOES THE FACT THAT SENATOR
HARRIS IS A WOMAN OF COLOR, HOW
DOES THAT FACTOR IN TO THE
EXPECTATIONS OF SENATOR HARRIS?
HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO THE
STRATEGY OF MIKE PENCE AS HE
APPROACHES THIS DEBATE AGAINST
SENATOR HARRIS, AND HOW DOES
THAT FACTOR INTO THE VOTER'S
EVALUATIONS OF HER PERFORMANCE?
>> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
WORKING FOR HILLARY FOR SO LONG
ESPECIALLY DURING THE DEBATES
IN 2016, I AM WELL AWARE OF HOW
MANY PITFALLS. WITH THAT SAID I
WANT TO TAKE A VERY POSITIVE
LOOK AT IT. WHEN THAT MOMENT
FIRST COMES UP AT 9:00 WHEN
KAMALA HARRIS, THE FIRST BLACK
WOMAN ON A MAJOR PARTY TICKET
COMES OUT IT WILL BE
ELECTRIFYING.
THE FACT THAT SHE IS NEXT TO A
GUY THAT IS SO WHITE HE IS
ALMOST CLEAR WILL MAKE THAT
EVEN MORE SO.
IN TERMS OF THEIR INTERACTIONS,
I CAN SEE MIKE PENCE NOT
LOOKING LIKE HE IS REALLY
COMFORTABLE TALKING TO SOMEBODY
OF THE OTHER SEX, BUT I THINK
AS HUMANS THEY WILL BE LIVING
THEIR LIVES AND WHAT THEY SAY
WITHOUT HAVING TO SAY IT. NOT
TO GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE
DOUBT, I THINK THAT MIKE PENCE
HAS PROBABLY PRACTICED A LOT
THIS PAST WEEK WITH THE FORMER
ATTORNEY GENERAL TO NOT BE
IDIOTIC. JUST THE FACT THAT THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY CANNOT FIND A
BLACK WOMAN TO PLAY A BLACK
WOMAN TO HELP A WHITE GUY GET
USED TO BEING ON STAGE WITH THE
BLACK WOMEN IS PRETTY TELLING.
>> DOES THAT MATTER?
>> YES.
THIS IS ABOUT RELATING TO PEOPLE
IF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES ARE
NOT MOVING THE NEEDLE, THIS ONE
WILL NOT EITHER.
IT IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE
AGE OF HER, HOPEFULLY BOSS, IT
IS MORE RELEVANT.
MIKE PENCE'S BOSS WAS IN THE
HOSPITAL TWO DAYS AGO SO
EVERYBODY AND THEIR MORTALITY
IS MORE ON STAGE SO YOU WANT TO
GET TO KNOW THE PEOPLE. YOU
WANT TO SEE HOW THEY INTERACT.
IF MIKE PENCE WANTS TO BE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
HE WILL RUN IN 2024 NO MATTER
WHAT HAPPENS HE IS THE ODDS ON
FAVORITE TO DO SO, TO SEEK HIS
PARTY'S NOMINATION HE WILL NEED
TO RELATE TO A WHOLE LOT OF
PEOPLE OTHER THAN OTHER WHITE
MALES FROM THE MIDWEST. IF HE
CANNOT DO THAT TONIGHT, I THINK
IN THE BACK OF PEOPLE'S MINES,
ESPECIALLY POLITICAL INSIDERS
THEY WILL SAY HE WILL HAVE TO
DO THE BEST JOB YOU COULD BUT
DONALD TRUMP JUST SETTLED HIM
WITH TOO MUCH BAGGAGE TO HELP
HIM WIN THE ELECTION BUT HE IS
ONLY 60 WHATEVER. COME 2024 HE
IS GOING TO RUN AND YOU CAN SEE
WHY PEOPLE DO OR DON'T LIKE HIM.
I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING
HE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT
TONIGHT.
HE IS A MACHINE.
HE WILL GO AFTER HER IN RESPECT
TO HER GENDER IN A WAY THAT I
ALMOST RESPECT. IF THE CRITERIA
IS YOU TREAT SOMEBODY DIFFERENT
BECAUSEOF RACE OR GENDER, I
THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT
MIKE PENCE WILL BE AS MUCH OF A
MACHINE ATTACK DOG AGAINST HER
AS HE WOULD BE AGAINST THE TWIN
OF HIMSELF. THAT MIGHT NOT BE
LIKABLE BUT, AND IT MIGHT NOT
LOOK GREAT BUT I DO THINK —
SHE IS ELECTRIFYING AND HE IS A
WET BLANKET. THAT IS THE TRUE
REALITY OF THEM AS PEOPLE AND
THEIR BACKGROUNDS.
THERE IS SOMETHING EXCITING
ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING EXCITING ABOUT
ANOTHER WHITE GUY ON STAGE.
>> I WOULD IMAGINE THAT SOME
TRUMP SUPPORTERS WOULD DISAGREE
VERY STRENUOUSLY WITH YOU ON
THAT POINT
>> WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING
THE TIME TO SHARE YOUR
PERSPECTIVE WITH US
>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.
>>> STILL TO COME, WE WILL
DISCUSS THE STRATEGY FOR
TONIGHT WITH THE RNC ADVISOR.
STAY WITH US, YOU ARE STREAMING
"RED & BLUE" .
>> I HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE AS
JACK KENNEDY DID WHEN HE SOUGHT
THE PRESIDENCY.
I WILL BE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH
THE PEOPLE IN THE BUSH
ADMINISTRATION IF THAT
UNFORTUNATE EVENT WHATEVER OCCUR
.
>> I SERVED WITH JACK KENNEDY,
I KNEW JACK KENNEDY, JACK
KENNEDY WAS A FRIEND OF MINE.
YOU ARE NO JACK KENNEDY.
>>> GOVERNOR PENCE, YOU HAVE
SAID THAT DONALD TRUMP IS
"THOUGHTFUL, COMPASSIONATE AND
STEADY.
ABOUT GET 56 FEEL HE IS A RISKY
CHOICE AND 65% FEEL HE DOESN'T
HAVE THE RIGHT KIND OF
TEMPERAMENT TO BE PRESIDENT.
WHAT YOU THINK SO MANY
AMERICANS THINK HE IS SIMPLY
TOO ERRATIC?
>> LET ME SAY FIRST AND
FOREMOST, SENATOR, YOU AND
HILLARY CLINTON WOULD KNOW A
LOT ABOUT AN INSULT DRIVEN
CAMPAIGN.
IT REALLY IS REMARKABLE.
AT A TIME WHEN LITERALLY IN THE
WAKE OF HILLARY CLINTON'S
TENURE AS SECRETARY OF STATE
WHERE SHE WAS THE ARCHITECT OF
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION'S FORM
POLICY WE SEE ENTIRE PORTIONS
OF THE WORLD PARTICULARLY THE
WIDER MIDDLE EAST SPINNING OUT
OF CONTROL.
IN A SITUATION WHERE WATCHING
HOUR BY HOUR IN SYRIA TODAY IS
THE RESULT OF THE FAILED
FOREIGN POLICY AND THE WEEK
FOREIGN POLICY THAT HILLARY
CLINTON HELPED LEAD IN THIS
ADMINISTRATION HELPED CREATE.
>> THAT WAS BACK IN 2016 WHEN
MIKE PENCE WAS RUNNING FOR HIS
PURSED FIRST TERM ON THE
TICKET.
NOW IS THE INCUMBENT VICE
PRESIDENT HE FACES A DIFFERENT
LANDSCAPE, A COME A COUNTRY
GRIPPED IN AN ECONOMY WITH A
SHAKY LANDSCAPE.
THE VP HELD THREE PRACTICE
SESSIONS OUT OF THE DEBATE.
THE PRACTICE SESSIONS FOCUSED
ON SEVERAL POLICY FRONTS.
A WHITE HOUSE SOURCE TOLD CBS
NEWS THE VICE PRESIDENT INTENDS
TO FOCUS AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF
TIME ON DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN
POLICY.
JOINING THE VICE PRESIDENT AS
HIS GUEST, KAYLA MUELLER.
KATIE WALLS SHIELDS JOINS ME
NOW, A SENIOR ADVISOR FOR DATA
AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL
COMMITTEE AND SHE WAS FORMER
CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE RNC.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
THE STATEMENT FOR MIKE PENCE IN
2016 ACCUSING THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN TICKET OF INSULTING
CAMPAIGN STANDS IN CONTRAST TO
THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE WE SAW
LAST WEEK.
THERE IS OF COURSE A DIFFERENCE
IN DEMEANOR BETWEEN THE VICE
PRESIDENT AND THE PRESIDENT BUT
THERE IS NO APPARENT DELAY WHEN
IT COMES TO POLICY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MISSION
SHOULD BE FOR THE TONIGHT?
>> I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT
— IN THE U.S. SENATE AND THAT
IS SAYING SOMETHING.
THE VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO
HOLD HER ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOME
OF HER EXTREME LIBERAL POLICIES.
THREE NEW DEAL, MEDICARE FOR
ALL, ETC.
AND HAVE TO HAVE SENATOR ANSWER
THOSE QUESTIONS.
THE SENATOR HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY
INVASIVE WITH THE MEDIA.
SHE HAS BEEN UNAVAILABLE AND
HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO ASK ANSWER
QUESTIONS.
I THINK VICE PRESIDENT PENCE
WILL SAY PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC SO WE
UNDERSTAND WHAT A BIDEN HARRIS
TOOK IT LOOKS LIKE.
>> DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO HEAR
SOME SPECIFICS ON POLICY FROM
VICE PRESIDENT?
>> I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT
AND PRESIDENT HAVE BEEN
SPECIFIC ABOUT THEIR POLICY.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN FIND AN
ADMINISTRATION MORE
TRANSPARENT, OPEN AND AVAILABLE
TO THE PRESS THAN PRESIDENT
TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE IS A
SKILLED DEBATER AND HE WILL BE
VERY TRANSPARENT AND ANSWER
QUESTIONS EXACTLY AS THE
PRESIDENT DID LAST WEEK IN HIS
DEBATE AGAINST FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN BUT I THINK
WHAT YOU WILL SEE WITH KAMALA
HARRIS IS A DODGING OF ISSUES,
NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS, SHE
DOESN'T WANT TO TRY TO EXPLAIN
THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHY THEY
SHOULD VOTE FOR THE MOST
POLITICAL SENATORS TO BE THEIR
VICE PRESIDENT.
I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE HOW SHE WILL
ANSWER THAT.
>> KATIE WALLS SHIELDS, I'M SO
SORRY WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
THE FIRST DEBATE AND ONLY VICE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN
MIKE PENCE AND SENATOR HARRIS
IS ABOUT TO GET STARTED.
LET'S GO TO OUR CBS NEWS
PRIMETIME SPECIAL.
>> CHANCE TO SHOES A BETTER
FUTURE.
>> SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS.
>> HE FAILED TO PROTECT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP'S
ACTIONS SAVED UNTOLD AMERICAN
LIVES.
>> WE ARE FIGHTING WITH THE FOE
OF OUR NATION.
>> WHETHER AMERICA REMAINS
AMERICA.
>> THEY KNOW WHEN WE VOTE,
THINGS CHANGE.
>> IT'S ON.
>>> THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE.
>>> IT IN A. I'M NORAH
O'DONNELL IN THE NATION'S
CAPITAL WITH JOHN DICKERSON AND
GAYLE KING AND WE ARE MOMENTS
AWAY FROM ONE AND ONLY VICE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT LIVE
PICTURES FROM INSIDE THE DEBATE
HALL IN SALT LAKE CITY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE STATE OF
THE RACE.
NEW POLLING SHOWS JOE BIDEN
EXPANDING HIS NATIONAL LEAD.
IN THE BATTLEGROUNDS, BIDEN HAS
A SIZABLE LEAD IN PENNSYLVANIA,
AHEAD IN IOWA AND WISCONSIN AND
TIED WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP IN
OHIO.
VICE PRESIDENT, MIKE PENCE AND
DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL
NOMINEE, HARRIS WILL ARRIVE IN
JUST A FEW MOMENTS.
BOTH CANDIDATES AT THE TOP OF
THE TICKET WOULD BE THE OLDEST
PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.
>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP IS BEING
TREATED FOR
AND POTENTIALLY STILL
CONTAGIOUS, IN THE OVAL OFFICE
TODAY JUST DAYS AFTER BEING
RELEASED FROM THE HOSPITAL BUT
PENCE AND HARRIS HAVE TESTED
NEGATIVE AND EVEN BEFORE THEY
TOOK THE STAGE, THERE IS A
CLEAR DIVIDE, LITERALLY BETWEEN
THEM.
THEY WILL BE SEPARATED BY
PLEXIGLAS AND SEATED 12 FEET
APART INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL SIX
FEET.
THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATES SAYS EVERYONE BESIDES
PENCE, HARRIS AND THE
MODERATOR, SUSAN PAGE MUST WEAR
A MASK AND THIS TIME THEY ARE
VERY SERIOUS.
>> NO ONE EXPECTS A REPEAT OF
THE FREE FOR ALL THAT WE
WITNESSED AT THE PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE.
IT IS NOT IN THE NATURE OF
EITHER CANDIDATE.
THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS DONE
THIS ONCE BEFORE.
SENATOR HARRIS HAS NOT.
THE FIRST BLACK AND ASIAN
AMERICAN WOMAN TO RUN FOR VICE
PRESIDENT IS A FORMER
PROSECUTOR AND SHE DELIVERED
POINTED ATTACKS ON JOE BIDEN IN
THE DEMOCRATS EARLY DEBATES.
>> THIS WILL BE QUITE A DEBATE.
NO DOUBT.
LET'S BRING IN NIKOLE KILLION
INSIDE THE DEBATE HALL IN SALT
LAKE CITY AND HAS BEEN TALKING
TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM EACH
CAMPAIGN.
GOOD EVENING, NICOLE.
>> Reporter: GOOD EVENING TO
YOU, NORA.
SENATOR HARRIS HAS BEEN HERE
FOR DAYS PREPARING WITH CLOSE
AIDES.
HER CHIEF OF STAFF TELLS ME
THAT HER MAIN GOAL TONIGHT IS
TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AND TO CONTRAST WHAT THE BIDEN
CAMPAIGN WOULD DO COMPARED TO
THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION.
EXPECT HER TO USE HER
PROSECUTOR CHOPS TO GO AFTER
THE VICE PRESIDENT, ESPECIALLY
ON THE PANDEMIC.
DON'T FORGET, IT WAS HER TEAM
THAT INSISTED ON THIS PLEXIGLAS
BARRIERS.
>> NIKOLE KILLION, THANK YOU.
I ALSO WANT TO BRING IN CBS'S
PAULA REID, WHO WAS
QUARANTINING AT HOME AFTER
BEING POTENTIALLY EXPOSED TO
COVID WHILE COVERING THE WHITE
HOUSE.
GOOD TO SEE YOU, PAULA.
TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THE
TRUMP— TRUMP/PENCE CAMPAIGN?
MAKE CBS'S LINE THE VICE
PRESIDENT PARTICIPATED IN 390
MINUTE SESSIONS AHEAD OF
TONIGHT.
HE HAS WORKED ALONG WITH FORMER
FLORIDA ATTORNEY GENERAL, PAM
BONDI WHO HAS PLAYED THE ROLE
OF SENATOR HARRIS.
AT THE SESSIONS, THEY HAVE
FOCUSED QUITE A BIT ON HOW TO
DEFEND THE ADMINISTRATION'S
HANDLING OF CORONAVIRUS.
THE VICE PRESIDENT, OF COURSE,
HEADS UP THE TASK FORCE BUT
MOST VOTERS, THEY DO NOT THINK
IT HAS GONE VERY WELL.
>> PAULA REID, THANK YOU.
THE DEBATE IS ABOUT TO BEGIN
AND NO DOUBT, CORONAVIRUS WILL
BE AT THE CENTER.
LET'S BRING IN THE MODERATOR.
>> FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH
AND SALT LAKE CITY WELCOME TO
THE FIRST AND ONLY VICE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE OF 2020.
SPONSORED BY THE NONPARTISAN
COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATES.
I'M SUSAN PAGE OF USA TODAY.
IT IS MY HONOR TO MODERATE THIS
DEBATE.
AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR
DEMOCRACY.
IN KINGSBURY HALL TONIGHT, WE
HAVE A SMALL AND SOCIALLY
DISTANT AUDIENCE AND WE HAVE
TAKEN EXTRA PRECAUTIONS DURING
THIS PANDEMIC.
AMONG OTHER THINGS, EVERYONE IN
THE AUDIENCE IS REQUIRED TO
WEAR A FACE MASK AND THE
CANDIDATES WILL BE SEATED 12
FEET APART.
THE AUDIENCE'S ENTHUSIASM ABOUT
CANDIDATES AND HAVE AGREED TO
EXPRESS THE ENTHUSIASM ONLY AT
THE END OF EACH DEBATE.
WELCOME CALIFORNIA SENATOR,,
HARRIS AND VICE PRESIDENT, MIKE
PENCE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Page: SENATOR HARRIS AND
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, THANK YOU
FOR BEING HERE.
WE'RE MEETING AS PRESIDENT TRUMP
AND THE FIRST LADY CONTINUE TO
UNDERGO TREATMENT IN WASHINGTON,
>> SENATOR HARRIS AND VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE, THANK YOU FOR
BEING HERE.
WE ARE MEETING AS PRESIDENT
TRUMP AND THE FIRST LADY
CONTINUE TO UNDERGO TREATMENT
IN WASHINGTON AFTER TESTING
POSITIVE FOR COVID-19.
WE SEND OUR THOUGHTS AND
PRAYERS TO THEM FOR THEIR RAPID
AND COMPLETE RECOVERY.
AND FOR THE RECOVERY OF
EVERYONE AFFLICTED BY THE
CORONAVIRUS.
THE TWO CAMPAIGNS AND THE
COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATES HAVE AGREED TO THE
GROUND RULES FOR TONIGHT.
I AM HERE TO ENFORCE THEM ON
BEHALF OF THE MILLIONS OF
AMERICANS WHO ARE WATCHING.
ONE NOTE, NO ONE IN EITHER
CAMPAIGN OR AT THE COMMISSION
OR ANYWHERE ELSE HAS BEEN TOLD
IN ADVANCE WHAT TOPICS I WILL
RAISE OR WHAT QUESTIONS I WILL
ASK.
THIS 90 MINUTE DEBATE WOULD BE
DIVIDED INTO NINE SEGMENTS OF
ABOUT 10 MINUTES EACH.
I WILL BEGIN A SEGMENT BY
POSING A QUESTION TO EACH OF
YOU, SOMETIMES THE SAME
QUESTION, SOMETIMES A DIFFERENT
QUESTION ON THE SAME TOPIC. YOU
WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER
WITHOUT INTERRUPTION BY ME OR
THE OTHER CANDIDATE.
THAT WILL TAKE SIX MINUTES OR
SO TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE.
AT THAT POINT, ALTHOUGH THERE
WILL BE ALWAYS MORE TO SAY, WE
WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC.
WE WANT TO DEBATE THAT IS
LIKELY BUT AMERICANS ALSO
DESERVE A DISCUSSION THAT IS
CIVIL. THESE ARE TUMULTUOUS
TIMES BUT WE CAN'T AND WILL WE
CAN AND WILL HAVE A RESPECTFUL
EXCHANGE ABOUT THE BIG ISSUES
FACING OUR NATION.
LET'S BEGIN WITH THE ONGOING
PANDEMIC THAT HAS COST OUR
COUNTRY SO MUCH.
SENATOR HARRIS, THE CORONAVIRUS
IS NOT UNDER CONTROL.
OVER THE PAST WEEK, JOHNS
HOPKINS REPORTS THAT 39 STATES
HAVE HAD MORE COVID CASES OVER
THE PAST SEVEN DAYS THEN IN THE
WEEK BEFORE.
NINE STATES HAVE SET NEW
RECORDS.
EVEN IF A VACCINE IS RELEASED
SOON, THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION
WILL FACE HARD CHOICES.
WHAT WOULD A BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION DUE IN JANUARY
AND FEBRUARY THAT A TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION WOULDN'T DO?
WOULD YOU IMPOSE NEW LOCKDOWNS
FOR BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS IN
HOTSPOTS ASK A FEDERAL MANDATE
TO WEAR MASKS?
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND
WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.
>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.
WELL, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE
WITNESSED WHAT IS THE GREATEST
FAILURE OF ANY PRESIDENTIAL
ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY
OF OUR COUNTRY.
AND HERE ARE THE FACTS.
210,000 DEAD PEOPLE IN OUR
COUNTRY.
IN JUST LOST SEVERAL MONTHS.
OVER 7 MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE
CONTRACTED THIS DISEASE.
ONE IN FIVE BUSINESSES, CLOSED.
WE ARE LOOKING AT FRONT-LINE
WORKERS WHO HAVE BEEN TREATED
LIKE SACRIFICIAL WORKERS.
WE ARE LOOKING AT OVER 30
MILLION PEOPLE WHO, IN THE LAST
SEVERAL MONTHS, HAD TO FILE FOR
UNEMPLOYMENT.
AND HERE IS THE THING: ON
JANUARY 28, THE VICE PRESIDENT
AND THE PRESIDENT WERE INFORMED
ABOUT THE NATURE OF THIS
PANDEMIC.
THEY WERE INFORMED THAT IT IS
LEGAL LETHAL IN CONSEQUENCE,
AIRBORNE, WILL AFFECT YOUNG
PEOPLE, AND THAT IT WOULD BE
CONTRACTED BECAUSE IT IS
AIRBORNE.
AND THEY KNEW WHAT WAS
HAPPENING AND THEY DIDN'T TELL
YOU. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF YOU
KNEW ON JANUARY 28 AS OPPOSED
TO MARCH 13 WHAT THEY KNEW,
WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE DONE TO
PREPARE?
THEY KNEW AND THEY COVERED IT
UP.
THE PRESIDENT SAID IT WAS A
HOAX.
THEY MINIMIZED THE SERIOUSNESS
OF IT.
THE PRESIDENT SAID, YOU ARE ON
ONE SIDE OF HIS LEDGER IF YOU
WEAR MASKS, YOU ARE ON THE
OTHER SIDE OF HIS LEDGER IF YOU
DON'T.
AND IN SPITE OF ALL OF THAT,
TODAY, THEY STILL DON'T HAVE A
PLAN.
THEY STILL DON'T HAVE A PLAN.
WELL, JOE BIDEN DOES AND OUR
PLAN IS ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO
DO AROUND A NATIONAL STRATEGY
FOR CONTACT TRACING, FOR
TESTING, FOR ADMINISTRATION OF
THE VACCINE AND MAKING SURE
THAT IT WILL BE FREE FOR ALL.
THAT IS THE PLAN THAT JOE BIDEN
HAS AND THAT I HAVE, KNOWING
THAT WE HAVE TO GET A HOLD OF
WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON AND WE
NEED TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY AND
JOE BIDEN IS THE BEST LEADER TO
DO THAT AND FRANKLY THIS
ADMINISTRATION HAS FORFEITED —
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, MORE THAN
210,000 AMERICANS HAVE DIED OF
COVID-19 SINCE FEBRUARY.
THE U.S. DEATH TOLL AS A
PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION IS
HIGHER THAN THAT OF ALMOST
EVERY OTHER WEALTHY NATION ON
EARTH.
FOR INSTANCE, OUR DEATH RATE IS
2 1/2 TIMES THAT OF CANADA NEXT
DOOR.
YOU HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION'S
CORONAVIRUS TASK FORCE. WHY IS
THE U.S. DEATH TOLL AS A
PERCENTAGE OF OUR POPULATION,
HIGHER THAN THAT OF ALMOST
EVERY OTHER WEALTHY COUNTRY AND
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO RESPOND
WITH NO INTERRUPTION.
>> WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION
AND THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH FOR
HOSTING THIS EVENT AND SENATOR
HARRIS, IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE ON
THE STAGE WITH YOU.
OUR NATION HAS GONE THROUGH A
VERY CHALLENGING TIME THIS
YEAR.
BUT I WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
TO KNOW THAT FROM THE VERY
FIRST DAY, PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP HAS PUT THE HEALTH OF
AMERICA FIRST.
BEFORE THERE WERE MORE THAN
FIVE CASES IN THE UNITED
STATES, ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE
RETURNED FROM CHINA, PRESIDENT
TRUMP DID WHAT NO OTHER
AMERICAN PRESIDENT HAS EVER
DONE AND THAT WAS HE SUSPENDED
ALL TRAVEL FROM CHINA, THE
SECOND LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE
WORLD.
NOW, SENATOR, JOE BIDEN OPPOSED
THAT DECISION.
HE SAID IT WAS XENOPHOBIC AND
HYSTERICAL.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU HAVING LED
THE WHITE HOUSE CORONAVIRUS
TASK FORCE THAT THAT DECISION
ALONE BY PRESIDENT TRUMP BOUGHT
US INVALUABLE TIME TO STAND UP
THE GREATEST NATIONAL
MOBILIZATION SINCE WORLD WAR II.
AND I BELIEVE IT SAVED HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN LIVES.
BECAUSE WITH THAT TIME, WE WERE
ABLE TO REINVENT TESTING, MORE
THAN 150 MILLION TESTS DONE
TODAY.
WE WERE ABLE TO SEE TO THE
DELIVERY OF BILLIONS OF
SUPPLIES SO DOCTORS AND NURSES
HAD RESOURCES THAT THEY NEEDED.
AND WE BEGIN, REALLY BEFORE THE
MONTH OF FEBRUARY, TO DEVELOP A
VACCINE AND TO DEVELOP
MEDICINES AND THERAPEUTICS AND
SAVING LIVES ALL ALONG THE WAY.
NOW UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
LEADERSHIP, OPERATION WARP
SPEE, WE BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE
LITERALLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF
DOSES OF VACCINE BEFORE THE END
OF THIS YEAR.
THE REALITY IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT
THE BIDEN PLAN, IT READS AN
AWFUL LOT LIKE WHAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP AND I AND OUR TASK FORCE
HAVE BEEN DOING EVERY STEP OF
THE WAY.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN I LOOK
AT THEIR PLAN, THAT TALKS ABOUT
ADVANCING TESTING, CREATING NEW
PPE, DEVELOPING A VACCINE, IT
LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE
PLAGIARISM.
THAT IS SOMETHING JOE BIDEN
KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.
I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
KNOW THAT THIS IS A PRESIDENT
WHO HAS PUT —
>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT.
>> — AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I
BELIEVE WITH MY HEART CAN BE
PROUD OF THE SACRIFICES THEY
HAVE MADE.
>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT.
SENATOR HARRIS, WOULD YOU LIKE
TO RESPOND?
ABSOLUTELY.
WHATEVER THE VICE PRESIDENT IS
CLAIMING THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
THEM CLEARLY HAS NOT WORKED.
WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT OVER
210,000 DEATHS IN OUR BODY
BODIES IN OUR COUNTRY AMERICAN
LIVES THAT HAVE BEEN LOST,
FAMILIES THAT ARE GRIEVING THAT
LOSS.
AND YOU KNOW, THE VICE
PRESIDENT IS THE HEAD OF THE
TASK FORCE.
AND HE KNEW ON JANUARY 28 HOW
SERIOUS THIS WAS AND THANKS TO
BOB WOODWARD, WE LEARNED THAT
THEY KNEW ABOUT IT AND THEN
WHEN THAT WAS EXPOSED, THE VICE
PRESIDENT SAID, WHEN ASKED,
WELL WHY DIDN'T YOU ALL TELL
ANYBODY, HE SAID BECAUSE THE
PRESIDENT WANTED PEOPLE TO
REMAIN CALM.
W
>> LET'S GET BACK — SUSAN, —
>> MR. VICE PRESIDENT, I'M
SPEAKING.
>> —
>> YOU HAVE 15 MORE SECONDS AND
THEN WILL GIVE THE VICE
PRESIDENT A CHANCE.
>> I WANT TO ASK THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE HOW COME WHEN YOU'RE
PANICKED ABOUT WHERE YOU ARE
GOING TO GET YOUR ROLE OF
TOILET PAPER.
HOW COLLIN MOORE YOU WHEN YOUR
KIDS WERE SENT HOME FROM
SCHOOL?
>> THANK YOU.
>> LET'S GIVE VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE A CHANCE TO RESPOND.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE YOU HAVE
ONE DAY TO RESPOND.
>> IS NOT ONE DAY THAT HAS GONE
BY THAT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF
EVERYONE THAT LOST A LOVED ONE
AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE HAD YOU IN
OUR HEARTS AND OUR PRAYERS BUT
WHEN YOU SEE WHAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST
EIGHT MONTHS HASN'T WORKED,
IT'S A GREAT DISSERVICE TO THE
SACRIFICES THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
HAVE MADE.
THE REALITY IF I MAY FINISH.
THE REALITY IS, DR. FAUCI SAID
EVERYTHING THAT HE TOLD THE
PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE,
THE PRESIDENT TOLD THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
NOW PRESIDENT TRUMP I WILL TELL
YOU AS BOUNDLESS CONFIDENCE IN
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND HE
ALWAYS SPOKE WITH CONFIDENCE
THAT WE WOULD GET THROUGH THIS
TOGETHER BUT WHEN YOU SAY IT
HASN'T WORKED, WHEN DR. FAUCI
AND DR. BIRX AND OUR MEDICAL
EXPERTS CAME TO US IN THE
SECOND WEEK OF MARCH, THEY SAID
THE UNPRECEDENTED STEP OF
SHUTTING DOWN ROUGHLY HALF OF
THE AMERICAN ECONOMY, THAT WE
COULD LOSE 2.2 MILLION
AMERICANS.
THAT'S THE REALITY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THEY ALSO SAID IF WE DID
EVERYTHING RIGHT, SUSAN WE
COULD STILL LOSE MORE THAN
200,000 AMERICANS.
NOT ONE LIFE LOST HIS TOO MANY
SUSAN BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE I
BELIEVE DESERVE CREDIT FOR THE
SACRIFICES THAT THEY HAVE MADE
PUTTING THE HEALTH OF THEIR
FAMILY AND THEIR NEIGHBORS
FIRST, OUR DOCTORS, OUR NURSES.
OUR FIRST RESPONSES.
>> THANK YOU VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
>> VICE PRESIDENT SINCE YOU
WERE IN THE FRONT ROW IN A ROSE
GARDEN EVENT 11 DAYS AGO OF
WHAT SEEMS TO BE A SUPER
SPREADER EVENT FOR SENIOR AND
CONGRESSIONAL OFFICIALS, NO
SOCIAL DISTANCING, FEW MASKS
AND NOW A CLUSTER OF CHRONIC
CASES AMONG THOSE WHO WERE
THERE.
HOW CAN YOU EXPECT AMERICANS TO
FOLLOW THE ADMINISTRATION'S
SAFETY GUIDELINES TO PROTECT
THEMSELVES FROM COVID WHEN YOU
AT THE WHITE HOUSE HAVE NOT
BEEN DOING SO?
>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE
DEMONSTRATED OVER THE LAST
EIGHT MONTHS THAT WHEN GIVEN
THE FACTS, THEY ARE WILLING TO
PUT THE HEALTH OF THEIR THEIR
FAMILIES AND PEOPLE THEY DON'T
EVEN KNOW FIRST.
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I HAVE
GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR
ABILITY TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION
AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICE.
IN THE HEIGHT OF THE EPIDEMIC,
WOMEN WERE LOSING A
HEARTBREAKING NUMBER, 2500
AMERICANS A DAY, WAS WITH
SURGING RESOURCES TO KNEE-JERK
NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY.
AND PEOPLE MADE SACRIFICES.
WHEN THE OUTBREAK IN THE
SUNBELT HAPPEN AGAIN AMERICANS
STEPPED FORWARD BUT THE REALITY
IS THAT THE WORK OF THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
GOES ON.
THE VACANCY ON THE SUPREME
COURT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS
COME UPON US AND THE PRESIDENT
INTRODUCED JUDGE AMY CONEY
BARRETT W
>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
>> IF I MAY SAY THE ROSE GARDEN
EVENT, THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF
SPECULATION ABOUT IT.
MY WIFE KAREN AND I WERE THERE
AND HONORED TO BE THERE.
MANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE AT
THE EVENT ACTUALLY WERE TESTED
FOR CORONAVIRUS AND IT WAS AN
OUTDOOR EVENT WHICH ALL OF OUR
SCIENTISTS REGULARLY AND
ROUTINELY ADVISE.
THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I PRESSED
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE
CHOICES IN THE BEST INTEREST OF
THEIR HEALTH.
AND JOE BIDEN AND, HARRIS
CONSISTENTLY TALK ABOUT
MANDATES AND NOT JUST MANDATES
WITH THE CORONAVIRUS BUT A
GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER OF
HEALTHCARE, THE GREEN NEW DEAL.
ALL GOVERNMENT CONTROL.
WE ARE ABOUT FREEDOM AND
RESPECTING THE FREEDOM OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT RESPECTING
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BE YOU
RESPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WHEN YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH.
USE RESPECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WHEN YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO BE
A LEADER SPEAKING OF THOSE
THINGS THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT
PEOPLE TO HEAR BUT THEY NEED TO
HEAR SO THEY CAN PROTECT
THEMSELVES.
BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION STOOD
ON INFORMATION THAT IF YOU HAD
AS A PARENT IF YOU HAD AS A
WORKER KNOWING YOU DIDN'T HAVE
ENOUGH MONEY SAVED UP AND NOW
YOU ARE STANDING IN THE FOOD
LINE BECAUSE OF THE INEPTITUDE
OF AN ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS
UNWILLING TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT CARING
ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO
SACRIFICE FAR TOO MUCH BECAUSE
OF THE INCOMPETENCE OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
IT IS ASKING TOO MUCH OF THE
PEOPLE.
>> SUSAN —
>> IT IS ASKING TOO MUCH OF THE
PEOPLE.
LOOK, THEY WOULD NOT BE
EQUIPPED WITH THE INFORMATION
THEY NEED TO HELP THEMSELVES —
SENATOR HARRIS, I'M SORRY.
SENATOR HARRIS, FOUR LIKE TO
GET BACK TO NORMAL, DR. ANTHONY
FAUCI AND OTHER EXPERTS SAY
MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAN BE
VACCINATED NEED TO BE
VACCINATED BUT HALF OF RECORDS
NOW SAY THEY WOULD TAKE A
VACCINE IF IT WAS RELEASED NOW.
IF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
APPROVES A VACCINE BEFORE OR
AFTER THE ELECTION, SHOULD
AMERICANS TAKE IT AND WOULD YOU
TAKE IT?
>> IF THE PUBLIC HEALTH
PROFESSIONALS, IF DR. FAUCI, IF
THE DOCTORS TELL US THAT WE
SHOULD TAKE IT, I WILL BE THE
FIRST IN LINE TO TAKE IT,
ABSOLUTELY BUT IF DONALD TRUMP
TELLS US WE SHOULD TAKE IT, I'M
NOT TAKING IT.
>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, THERE
HAVE BEEN A LOT OF
REPERCUSSIONS FROM THIS
PANDEMIC.
IN RECENT DAYS THE PRESIDENT'S
DIAGNOSIS OF COVID-19 HAS
UNDERSCORE THE IMPORTANCE OF
THE JOB THAT YOU HOLD AND ARE
SEEKING.
THAT IS OUR SECOND TOPIC
TONIGHT.
IT IS THE ROLE OF THE VICE
PRESIDENT.
ONE OF YOU WILL MAKE HISTORY ON
JANUARY 20.
YOU WILL EITHER BE THE VICE
PRESIDENT TO THE OLDEST
PRESIDENT THE UNITED STATES HAS
EVER HAD, DONALD TRUMP WILL BE
74 YEARS OLD ON INAUGURATION
DAY.
JOE BIDEN WILL BE 78 YEARS OLD.
THAT ALREADY HAS RAISED
CONCERNS AMONG SOME VOTERS,
CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
SHARPENED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
HOSPITALIZATION IN RECENT DAYS.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, HAVE YOU
HAD A CONVERSATION OR REACHED
AN AGREEMENT WITH PRESIDENT
TRUMP ABOUT SAFEGUARDS OF
PROCEDURES WHEN IT COMES TO THE
ISSUE OF PRESIDENTIAL
DISABILITY AND IF NOT, DO YOU
THINK YOU SHOULD?
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES WITHOUT
INTERRUPTION.
>> WELL, SUSAN, THANK YOU
THOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK
TO DOUBLE WE NEED TO MOVE ON.
>> THANK YOU BUT I WOULD LIKE
TO GO BACK BECAUSE THE REALITY
IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A
VACCINE SENATOR IN RECORD TIME
IN UNHEARD OF TIME IN LESS THAN
A YEAR.
WE HAVE FIVE COMPANIES IN PHASE
3 CLINICAL TRIALS.
AND WE ARE RIGHT NOW PRODUCING
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOSES.
SO THE FACT THAT YOU CONTINUE
TO UNDERMINE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE
IN A VACCINE IF A VACCINE
EMERGES DURING THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION, I THINK IS
UNCONSCIONABLE.
AND SENATOR, I JUST ASKED YOU,
STOP PLAYING POLITICS WITH
PEOPLE'S LIVES.
THE REALITY IS THAT WE WILL
HAVE A VACCINE.
WE BELIEVE, BEFORE THE END OF
THIS YEAR.
AND IT WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY
TO SAVE COUNTLESS AMERICAN
LIVES AND YOU ARE CONTINUING TO
UNDERMINE CONFIDENCE IN A
VACCINE AND IT IS JUST
UNACCEPTABLE.
LET ME ALSO SAY THE REALITY IS
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FAILURE IN
THIS ADMINISTRATION, WE
ACTUALLY DO KNOW WHAT FAILURE
LOOKS LIKE IN A PANDEMIC.
IT WAS 2009. THE SWINE FLU
ARRIVED IN THE UNITED STATES.
THANKFULLY, IT WAS, ENDED UP
NOT BEING AS LETHAL AS THE
CORONAVIRUS.
BUT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR,
WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS VICE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
NOT 7 1/2 MILLION PEOPLE
CONTRACTED THE SWINE FLU, 60
MILLION AMERICANS CONTRACTED
THE SWINE FLU.
IF THE SWINE FLU HAD BEEN AS
LETHAL AS THE CORONAVIRUS, IN
2009, WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS VICE
PRESIDENT, WE WOULD HAVE LOST 2
MILLION AMERICAN LIVES.
HIS OWN CHIEF OF STAFF, WOULD
SAY LAST YEAR THAT IT WAS PURE
LUCK THAT THEY DID "EVERYTHING
POSSIBLE WRONG AND WE LEARNED
FROM THAT.
WITH THEY LEFT THE STRATEGIC
NATIONAL STOCKPILE EMPTY, AN
EMPTY AND HOLLOW PLAY BUT WE
STILL LEARN FROM IT AND I THINK
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE — I'M
GOING TO HAVE TO SIT AGAIN
COMING REMINDED OF WHAT WE HAVE
DONE AND SENATOR, PLEASE DON'T
UNDERMINE CONFIDENCE IN A
VACCINE.
>> SENATOR HARRIS LET ME ASK
YOU THE SAME QUESTION THAT I
ASKED VICE PRESIDENT PENCE
WHICH IS HAVE YOU HAD A
CONVERSATION OR REACHED AN
AGREEMENT WITH VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN ABOUT SAFEGUARDS OR
PROCEDURES WHEN IT COMES TO THE
ISSUE OF PRESIDENTIAL
DISABILITY AND IF NOT, AND IF
YOU WIN THE ELECTION NEXT
MONTH, DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD?
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> SO LET ME TELL YOU FIRST OF
ALL, THE DAY I GOT THE CALL
FROM JOE BIDEN IT WAS ACTUALLY
A ZOOM CALL.
ASKING ME TO SERVE WITH HIM ON
THIS TICKET WAS PROBABLY THE
MOST MEMORABLE DAYS OF MY LIFE.
I THOUGHT ABOUT MY MOTHER WHO
CAME TO THE UNITED STATES AT
THE AGE OF 19.
GAVE BIRTH TO ME AT THE AGE OF
25.
AT KAISER HOSPITAL IN OAKLAND,
CALIFORNIA. THE FACT THAT I
WOULD BE SITTING RIGHT NOW I
KNOW WOULD MAKE HER PROUD AND
SHE MUST BE LOOKING DOWN ON US.
YOU KNOW, JOE AND I WERE RAISED
IN A VERY SIMILAR WAY.
WE WERE RAISED WITH VALUES THAT
ARE ABOUT HARD WORK, ABOUT THE
VALUE AND DIGNITY OF PUBLIC
SERVICE AND ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF FIGHTING FOR THE
DIGNITY OF ALL PEOPLE AND I
THINK JOE ASKED ME TO SERVE
WITH HIM BECAUSE I HAVE A
CAREER THAT INCLUDED BEING
ELECTED THE FIRST WOMAN
DISTRICT ATTORNEY OF SAN
FRANCISCO, WHERE I CREATED
MODELS OF INNOVATION FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT IN TERMS OF REFORM
OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
I WAS ELECTED THE FIRST WOMAN
OF COLOR AND BLACK WOMAN TO BE
ELECTED ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHERE I RAN
THE SECOND LARGEST DEPARTMENT
OF JUSTICE IN THE UNITED
STATES, SECOND ONLY TO THE
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE AND THERE, I TOOK ON
EVERYTHING FROM TRANSNATIONAL
CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS TO THE
BIG BANKS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF
HOMEOWNERS TO FOR-PROFIT
COLLEGES THAT WERE TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF VETERANS.
AND OF COURSE NOW I SERVE IN
THE UNITED STATES SENATE AS
ONLY THE SECOND BLACK WOMAN
EVER ELECTED TO THE UNITED
STATES SENATE ON THE SENATE
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WHERE I
HAVE BEEN IN REGULAR RECEIPT OF
CLASSIFIED INFORMATION ABOUT
THREATS TO OUR NATION AND
HOTSPOTS AROUND THE WORLD.
I HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD.
I HAVE MET WITH OUR SOLDIERS IN
WAR ZONES.
AND I THINK JOE HAS ASKED ME TO
SERVE WITH HIM BECAUSE HE KNOWS
THAT WE SHARE A PURPOSE WHICH
IS OUT LIFTING UP THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND AFTER THE
FOUR YEARS WE HAVE SEEN OF
DONALD TRUMP, UNIFYING OUR
COUNTRY AROUND OUR COMMON
VALUES AND PRINCIPLES.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.
NEITHER PRESIDENT TRUMP NOR
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS
RELEASED A SORT OF DETAILED
HEALTH INFORMATION THAT HAD
BECOME THE MODERN NORM UNTIL
THE 2016 ELECTION AND IN RECENT
DAYS, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DOCTORS
HAVE GIVEN MISLEADING ANSWERS
OR REFUSED TO ANSWER BASIC
QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS HEALTH AND
MY QUESTION TO EACH OF YOU IN
TURN IS, IS THIS INFORMATION
WHAT VOTERS DESERVE TO KNOW?
>> SUSAN, THANK YOU.
AND LET ME SAY, ON BEHALF OF
THE PRESIDENT AND THE FIRST
LADY, HOW MOVED WE HAVE ALL BEEN
BY THE OUTPOURING OF PRAYERS
AND CONCERN FOR THE PRESIDENT
AND I DO BELIEVE IT IS
EMBLEMATIC OF THE PRAYERS AND
CONCERN THAT HAVE USHERED FORTH
FOR EVERY AMERICAN IMPACTED BY
THE CORONAVIRUS BUT THE CARE
THAT THE PRESIDENT RECEIVED AT
WALTER REED HOSPITAL, THE WHITE
HOUSE DOCTORS, WAS ACCEPTABLE
EXCEPTIONAL AND THE
TRANSPARENCY THEY PRACTICED ALL
ALONG WILL BE CONTINUED.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A
RIGHT TO KNOW ABOUT THE HEALTH
AND WELL-BEING OF THEIR
PRESIDENT AND WE WILL CONTINUE
TO DO THAT.
BUT I AM JUST EXTREMELY
GRATEFUL AND WAS MORE THAN A
LITTLE MOVED BY THE BROAD AND
BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AND SENATOR
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND JOE
BIDEN FOR YOUR EXPRESSIONS OF
GENUINE CONCERN AND I ALSO WANT
TO CONGRATULATE YOU AS I DID ON
THAT PHONE CALL ON THE HISTORIC
NATURE OF YOUR NOMINATION.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I NEVER EXPECTED TO BE ON
THIS STAGE IV YEARS AGO SO I
KNOW THE FEELING BUT THE
REALITY IS WE HAVE GOT AN
ELECTION BEFORE THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE IN THE MIDST OF THIS
CHALLENGING YEAR AND THE STAKES
HAVE NEVER BEEN HIGHER AND THE
CHOICE HAS NEVER BEEN CLEARER.
>> I WANT TO GIVE SENATOR
HARRIS A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO
THE SAME QUESTION WHICH IS DUE
VOTERS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW
MORE DETAILED HEALTH
INFORMATION ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATES AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT
PRESIDENTS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY
ARE FACING SOME KIND OF
CHALLENGE?
>> ABSOLUTELY AND THAT IS WHY
JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN SO
INCREDIBLY TRANSPARENT AND BY
CONTRAST, THE PRESIDENT HAS
NOT.
BOTH IN TERMS OF HEALTH RECORDS
IT ALSO LET'S LOOK AT TAXES.
WE NOW KNOW BECAUSE OF GREAT
INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM THAT
DONALD TRUMP PAID $750 IN
TAXES.
WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT I
LITERALLY SAID, YOU MEAN
$750,000 AND IT WAS LIKE NO,
$750.
WE NOW KNOW DONALD TRUMP OWES
AND IS IN DEBT FOR $400 MILLION
AND JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR,
WHEN WE SAY IN DEBT IT MEANS
YOU OWE MONEY TO SOMEBODY.
AND IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO
KNOW WHO THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES, THE COMMANDER-IN-
CHIEF OWES MONEY TO BECAUSE THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO
KNOW WHAT IS INFLUENCING THE
PRESIDENT'S DECISIONS AND IS HE
MAKING THOSE DECISIONS ON THE
BEST INTEREST OF THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, OF YOU OR SELF-INTEREST
. SO I'M GLAD YOU ASKED ABOUT
TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE IT HAS TO
BE ACROSS THE BOARD.
JOE HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY
TRANSPARENT OVER MANY, MANY
YEARS.
THE ONE THING WE ALL KNOW ABOUT
JOE, HE PUTS IT ALL OUT THERE.
HE IS HONEST.
HE IS FORTHRIGHT.
BUT DONALD TRUMP ON THE OTHER
HAND —
>> SUSAN — MICK HAS BEEN ABOUT
COVERING UP EVERYTHING.
>> SENATOR HARRIS I WANT TO
GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND,
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.
>> I RESPECT THE FACT THAT JOE
BIDEN SPENT 47 YEARS IN PUBLIC
LIFE AND I RESPECT YOUR PUBLIC
SERVICE AS WELL.
BUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A
PRESIDENT WHOSE BUSINESSMAN IS
A JOB CREATOR AND WHO HAS PAID
TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN
TAXES.
PAYROLL TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES,
HE HAS CREATED TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN JOBS.
THE PRESIDENT SAID THOSE PUBLIC
REPORTS ARE NOT ACCURATE AND
THE PRESIDENT HAS ALSO RELEASED
LITERALLY STACKS OF FINANCIAL
DISCLOSURES TO THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO REVIEW AS THE LAW
ALLOWS BUT THE DISTINCTION HERE
IS THAT JOE BIDEN, 47 YEARS IN
PUBLIC SERVICE COMPARED TO
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WHO
BROUGHT ALL OF THAT EXPERIENCE
FOUR YEARS AGO.
AND TURNED THIS ECONOMY AROUND
BY CUTTING TAXES, ROLLING BACK
REGULATIONS.
FIGHTING FOR FREE AND FAIR
TRADE AND ALL OF — JOE BIDEN
AND KAMALA HARRIS.
>> YOU KNOW THAT'S A GOOD SEGUE
INTO OUR THIRD TOPIC WHICH IS
ABOUT THE ECONOMY.
THIS HAS BEEN ANOTHER ASPECT OF
AMERICAN LIFE THAT HAS BEEN SO
AFFECTED BY THIS CORONAVIRUS.
WE HAVE A JOB CRISIS BREWING.
ON FRIDAY WE LEARNED AND
IMPLEMENT RATE HAD DECLINED TO
7.9% IN SEPTEMBER BUT THAT JOB
GROWTH HAD STALLED AND THAT WAS
BEFORE THE LATEST ROUND OF
LAYOFFS AND FURLOUGHS IN THE
AIRLINE INDUSTRY, DISNEY AND
ELSEWHERE.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
DISCOURAGED WORKERS HAVE
STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK.
NEARLY 11 MILLION JOBS THAT
EXISTED AT THE BEGINNING OF
YEAR HAVE NOT BEEN REPLACED.
THOSE HARDEST HIT INCLUDE
LATINOS, BLACKS AND WOMEN.
SENATOR HARRIS, THE
BIDEN/HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAS
PROPOSED PROGRAMS TO BOOST THE
ECONOMY AND YOU WOULD PAY FOR
THAT NEW SPENDING BY RAISING $4
TRILLION IN TAXES ON WEALTHY
INDIVIDUALS AND CORPORATIONS.
SOME ECONOMISTS WARN THAT COULD
CURB ENTREPRENEURIAL VENTURES
THAT FUEL GROWTH AND CREATE
JOBS.
WOULD RAISING TAXES PUT THE
RECOVERY AT RISK AND YOU HAVE
TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> THANK YOU.
ON THE ISSUE OF THE ECONOMY, I
THINK THERE COULD NOT BE A MORE
FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
DONALD TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN.
JOE BIDEN BELIEVES YOU MEASURE
THE HEALTH AND STRENGTH OF
AMERICA'S ECONOMY BASED ON THE
HEALTH AND OF THE STRENGTH OF
THE AMERICAN WORKER AND THE
AMERICAN FAMILY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE
DONALD TRUMP WHO MEASURES THE
STRENGTH OF THE ECONOMY BASED
ON HOW RICH PEOPLE ARE DOING.
THAT IS WHY HE PASSED A TAX BILL
BENEFITING THE TOP 1% AND THE
BIGGEST CORPORATIONS OF
AMERICA, LEADING TO A $2
TRILLION DEFICIT THAT THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
HAVE TO PAY FOR.
ON DAY ONE, JOE BIDEN WILL
REPEAL THAT TAX BILL.
HE WILL GET RID OF IT.
AND WHAT HE WILL DO WITH THE
MONEY IS INVESTED IN THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AND THROUGH A PLAN THAT IS
ABOUT INVESTING IN
INFRASTRUCTURE, SOMETHING THAT
DONALD TRUMP SAID HE WOULD DO.
I REMEMBER HEARING ABOUT
INFRASTRUCTURE BUT I DON'T
THINK IT EVER HAPPENED BUT JOE
BIDEN WILL DO THAT.
HE WILL INVEST IN
INFRASTRUCTURE.
IT'S ABOUT UPGRADING ROADS AND
BRIDGES AND INVESTING IN CLEAN
AND RENEWABLE ENERGY.
JOE IS GOING TO INVEST THAT
MONEY AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO
AROUND INNOVATION.
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN OUR
COUNTRY BELIEVED IN SCIENCE AND
INVESTED IN RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT WE WERE AN INNOVATION
LEADER ON THE GLOBE.
JOE BIDEN WILL USE THAT MONEY
TO INVEST IN EDUCATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR FOLKS WHO
WANT TO GO TO A TWO YEAR
COMMUNITY COLLEGE IT WILL BE
FREE.
IF YOU COME FROM A FAMILY THAT
MAKES LESS THAN $125,000, YOU
WILL GO TO A PUBLIC UNIVERSITY
FOR FREE.
AND ACROSS THE BOARD, WE WILL
MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU HAVE
STUDENT LOAN DEBT, IT IS CUT BY
$10,000.
THAT IS HOW JOE BIDEN THINKS
ABOUT THE ECONOMY WHICH IS NOT
DOUBLE IT IS ABOUT INVESTING IN
THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY AS
OPPOSED TO PRACTICING PASSING A
TAX BILL THAT HAD THE BENEFIT
OF LETTING AMERICAN
CORPORATIONS GO OFFSHORE TO DO
THEIR BUSINESS.
>> THANK YOU SENATOR HARRIS.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, YOUR
ADMINISTRATION HAS PREDICTED A
RAPID AND ROBUST RECOVERY BUT
THE LATEST PROJECTIONS SHOW
THAT IS NOT HAPPENING.
SHOULD AMERICANS BE BRACED FOR
AN ECONOMIC COMEBACK THAT WILL
TAKE NOT MONTHS BUT A YEAR OR
MORE?
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO ANSWER
UNINTERRUPTED.
>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I ONLY
TOOK OFFICE, AMERICA HAD GONE
THROUGH THE SLOWEST ECONOMIC
RECOVERY SINCE THE GREAT
DEPRESSION.
THAT IS ONE JOE BIDEN WAS VICE
PRESIDENT AND TARTT TRIED TO
TAX, SPEND, REGULATE AND BELLOW
WAY BACK TO A GROWING ECONOMY.
PRESIDENT TRUMP CUT TAXES
ACROSS THE BOARD.
DESPITE WHAT SENATOR HARRIS
SAYS, THE AVERAGE AMERICAN
FAMILY OF FOUR HAD $2000 IN
SAVINGS IN TAXES AND WITH THE
RISE IN WAGES THAT OCCURREDR
RADICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AGENDA
AHEAD OF AMERICAN AUTO WORKERS
AND AHEAD OF AMERICAN JOBS.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO
KNOW THAT.
IT IS PROBABLY WHY NEWSWEEK
MAGAZINE SAID THAT KAMALA HARRIS
WAS THE MOST LIBERAL MEMBER OF
THE UNITED STATES SENATE IN
2019, MORE LIBERAL THAN BERNIE
SANDERS, MORE LIBERAL THAT ANY
OF THE OTHERS IN THE UNITED
STATES MATT.
SO THOUSAND WITH REGARD TO
CHINA, LOOK, SUSAN, FIRST AND
FOREMOST, CHINA IS TO BLAME FOR
THE CORONAVIRUS.
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT HAPPY
ABOUT IT.
HE HAS MADE THAT VERY CLEAR AND
MADE IT CLEAR AGAIN TODAY.
CHINA AND THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION DO NOT PLAY
STRAIGHT WITH THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
THEY DID NOT LET OUR PERSONNEL
INTO CHINA TO GET INFORMATION ON
THE CORONAVIRUS UNTIL THE MIDDLE
OF FEBRUARY, FORTUNATELY,
PRESIDENT TRUMP IN DEALING WITH
CHINA FROM THE OUTSET OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION STANDING UP TO
CHINA THAT HAVE BEEN TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF AMERICA FOR-S IN
THE WAKE OF JOE BIDEN'S CHEER
LEADING FOR CHINA.
PRESIDENT TRUMP MADE THAT
DECISION BEFORE THE END OF
JANUARY TO SUSPEND ALL TRAVEL
FROM CHINA, AND AGAIN, THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO
THOUGH, VOAB OPPOSED PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S DECISION TO SUSPEND ALL
TRAVEL FROM CHINA.
HE SAID IT WAS HYSTERICAL, HE
SAID —
>> THANK YOU VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
>> THE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS STOOD
UP TO CHINA AND WE ARE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO STAND STRONG.
WE WANT TO IMPROVE THE
RELATIONSHIP BUT WE ARE GOING TO
LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AND WE
ARE GOING HOLD CHINA ACCOUNTABLE
FOR WHAT THEY DID TO AMERICA
WITH THE CORONAVIRUS.
>> THANK YOU.
SENATOR HARRIS, LET ME ASK YOU
THE SAME QUESTION THAT I ASKED
THE VICE PRESIDENT, HOW WOULD
YOU DESCRIBE OUR FUNDAMENTAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH CHINA?
ARE WE COMPETITORS IN
ADVERSARIES?
ENEMIES?
>> YOU WILL HAVE TWO HUNTS
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> SUSAN, THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION'S PERSPECTIVE AND
APPROACH TO CHINA HAS RESULTED
IN A LOSS OF AMERICAN LIVES,
AMERICAN JOBS, AND AMERICA'S
STANDING.
THERE IS A WEIRD OBSESSION THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS HAD WITH
GETTING RID OF WHATEVER
ACCOMPLISHMENT WAS ACHIEVED BY
PRESIDENT OBAMA AND VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY CREATED WITHIN
WITH THE WHITE HOUSE AN OFFICE
THAT BASICALLY WAS RESPONSIBLE
FOR MONITORING PANDEMICS.
THEY GOT RID OF IT.
>> NOT TRUE.
>> THERE WAS A TEAM OF DISEASE
EXPERTS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN DISPATCHED
TO CHINA.
TO MONITOR WHAT IS THOUSAND
PREDICTABLE AND WHAT MIGHT
HAPPEN.
THEY PULLED THEM OUT.
WE NOW ARE LOOKING AT 210,000
AMERICANS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR
LIVES.
LET'S LOOK AT THE JOB SITUATION.
WE MENTIONED BEFORE THE TRADE
DEAL, THE TRADE WAR, THEY WANTED
TO CALL IT WITH CHINA.
IT RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF OVER
300 MANUFACTURING JOBS AND
MANUFACTURING RECESSION, AND THE
AMERICAN CONSUMER PAID THOUSANDS
OF DOLLARS MORE FOR GOODS
BECAUSE OF THAT FAILED WAR, THAT
THEY CALLED IT, AND LET'S TALK
ABOUT STANDING, PEW, A REPUTABLE
RESEARCH FIRM, HAS TONE AN
ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THAT LEADERS
OF ALL OF OUR FORMERLY ALLIED
COUNTRIES HAVE NOW DECIDED THAT
THEY HOLD IN GREATER ESTEEM AND
RESPECT XI JINPING, THE HEAD OF
THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY THAN
THEY DO DONALD TRUMP.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF
OF THE UNITED STATES.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
BECAUSE OF A FAILURE OF
LEADERSHIP, BY THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
SENATOR HARRIS, WE HAVE SEEN
CHANGES IN THE ROLE OF THE
UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF GLOBAL
LEADERSHIP OVER THE PAST FOUR
YEARS.
AND OF COURSE TIMES DO CHANGE.
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION, WE HAVE
SEEN STRAINS WITH CHINA OF
COURSE IT IS A VICE PRESIDENT
MENTIONED, WE HAVE SEEN STRAINS
WITH OUR TRADITIONAL ALLIES IN
NATO AND ELSEWHERE.
WHAT IS YOUR DEFINITION OF THE
ROLE OF AMERICAN LEADERSHIP IN
2020?
>> SO, YOU KNOW, JOE, I LOVE
TALKING WITH JOE ABOUT A LOT OF
THESE ISSUES, AND, YOU KNOW,
JOE, I THINK HE SAID IT QUITE
WELL, HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, FOREIGN
POLICY MIGHT SOUND COMPLICATED
BUT REALLY IT IS RELATIONSHIPS,
JUST THINK ABOUT IT AS
RELATIONSHIPS, AND SO WE KNOW
THIS IN OUR PERSONAL AND
PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS.
YOU HAVE GOT TO KEEP YOUR WORD
TO YOUR FRIENDS.
YOU HAVE TO BE LOYAL TO YOUR
FRIENDS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE STOOD
WITH YOU, HAVE TO, YOU HAVE GOT
TO STAND WITH THEM, YOU HAVE GOT
TO KNOW WHO YOUR ADVERSARIES ARE
AND KEEP THEM IN CHECK.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH
DONALD TRUMP IS THAT HE HAS
BETRAYED OUR FRIENDS AND
EMBRACED DICTATORS AROUND THE
WORLD.
LET'S TAKE FOR EXAMPLE, RUSSIA.
SO I SERVED ON THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE OF THE UNITED STATES
SENATE, AMERICA'S INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY TOLD US RUSH
INTERFERED IN THE ELECTION OF
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES IN 2016 AND IS PLANNING
TO IN 2020.
CHRISTOPHER WRAY, THE DIRECTOR
OF THE FBI SAID THE SAME.
BUT DONALD TRUMP, THE COMMAND
NEVER CHIEF OF THE UNITED STATES
OF AMERICA PREFERS TO TAKE THE
WORLD OF VLADIMIR PUTIN OVER THE
WORLD OF THE AMERICAN
INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.
YOU LOOK AT OUR 0 FRIENDS AT
NATO.
HE HAS WALKED AWAY FROM
AGREEMENTS, LOOK AT THE IRAN
NUCLEAR TEAL WHICH NOW HAS PUT
US IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE
LESS SAFE BECAUSE THEY ARE
BUILDING UP WHAT MIGHT END UP
BEING A SIGNIFICANT NUCLEAR
ARSENAL.
WE WERE IN THAT DEAL, WE WERE IN
IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL WITH FRIENDS
AND ALLIES AROUND THE COUNTRY
AND BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP'S
UNILATERAL APPROACH TO FOREIGN
POLICY, COUPLED WITH HIS
ISOLATIONISM, HE PULLED US OUT
AND HAS MADE AMERICA LESS SAFE,
SO SUSAN IT IS ABOUT
RELATIONSHIPS, AND THE THINK
THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE
STRENGTH OF OUR NATION IN
ADDITION TO OUR GREAT MILITARY
HAS BEEN WE KEEP OUR WORD, BUT
DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T UNDERSTAND
THAT, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T
UNDERSTAND WHAT IT OPINIONS TO O
BE HONEST.
THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, LET ME
GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO RESPOND.
>> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP
TOOK HIS WORD WHEN WE MOVED THE
AMERICAN EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM,
THE CAPITAL OF THE STATE OF
ISRAEL, WHEN VICE PRESIDENT
BIDEN WAS PRESIDENT HE PROMISED
TO DO THAT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
THE WE ARE NOW, NATO ALLIES HAVE
CONTRIBUTED MORE TO THE NATO
ALLIANCE BECAUSE OF THE WORK OF
DONALD TRUMP AND WE HAVE STOOD
STRONG AGAINST THOSE WHO WOULD
DO US HARM.
YOU KNOW, WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP
CAME INTO OFFICE, ISIS HAD CAP
KURD AN AREA OF THE MIDDLE EAST
THE SIZE OF PENCE PENNSYLVANIA,
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP UNLEASHED
THE AMERICAN MILITARY AND OUR
ARMED FORCES DESTROYED THE ISIS
CALIPHATE AND TOOK OUT THEIR
LEADER AL BAGHDAD DIFFICULT
WITHOUT ANY CASUALTY, ALEXANDRIA
AL-BAGHDADI WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS BUT
NOTICEABLY HEARTS ARE WITH THE
HEARTS OF KAY A LA MILLER, THE
PARENTS WHO ARE WITH US TONIGHT
THIS SALT LAKE CITY, TODAY, TWO
OF THE ISIS KILLERS RESPONSIBLE
FOR KAYLA MUELLER'S MURDER WERE
BROUGHT TO JUSTICE IN THE UNITED
STATES, JIHADI JOHN WAS KILLED
IN THE BATTLEFIELD ALONG WITH
THE OTHER BEATLE.
WHEN THE VICE JOE BIDEN WAS VICE
PRESIDENT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SAFE HER BUT IT BREAKS MY
HEART BUT THE MILITARY PRESENTED
A PLAN AND SAID THEY KNEW WHERE
KAYLA WAS, BAGHDAD DIFFICULT
HELD HER BAGHDADI HELD HER FOR
MONTH BUT THEY KILLED HER MERCY
LESLEY.
>> BUT WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS VICE
PRESIDENT THEY HESITATED AND
WHEN OUR FORCES FINALLY CAME IN,
SHE HAD BEEN MOVED TWO DAYS
EARLIER AND HER TEAM SAYS WITH
WHAT BROKE THE HEART A OF EVERY
AMERICAN IF PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP HAD BEEN PRESIDENT THEY
BELIEVE SHE WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY
BUT WE DESTROYED THE CALIPHATE
AND YOU TALK ABOUT REENTERING
THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL AND THE
LAST ADMINISTRATION TRANSFERRED
$1.8 BILLION TO THE LEADING,
LEADING STATE RESPONSE SORRY OF
TERRORISM, PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP GOT US OUT OF THE DEAL AND
A WHEN QASSEM SOLEIMANI WAS
TRAVELING TO BAGHDAD TO HARM
AMERICANS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP
TOOK HIM OUT AND AMERICA IS
SAFER, OUR ALLIES ARE SAFER AND
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP WILL
NEVER — PAUSE TO TAKE ACTION.
>> LET'S GIVE SENATOR HARRIS, TO
RESPOND BUT WE HAVE OTHER TOPICS
TO DISCUSS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TIME TO RESPOND.
>> YES.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> OF COURSE TO THE MUELLER
FAMILY I KNOW ABOUT YOUR
DAUGHTER'S CASE AND I AM SO
SORRY, I AM SO SORRY.
WHAT HAPPENED TO HER IS AWFUL.
AND IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE
HAPPENED.
AND I KNOW JOE FEELS THE SAME
WAY.
AND I KNOW THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA
FEELS THE SAME WAY.
BUT YOU MENTIONED SOLEIMANI,
LET'S START THERE.
SO AFTER THE STRIKE ON
SOLEIMANI, THERE WAS A COUNTER
STRIKE ON OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ AND
THEY SUFFERED SERIOUS BRAIN
INJURIES AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT
DONALD TRUMP DISMISSED THEM AS?
HEADACHES.
AND THIS IS ABOUT A PATTERN OF
DONALD TRUMP'S, WHERE HE HAS
REFERRED TO OUR MEN WHO ARE
SERVING IN OUR MILITARY AS
SUCKERS AND LOSERS, DONALD TRUMP
WHO WENT TO ARLINGTON CEMETERY
AND STOOD ABOVE THE GRAVES OF
OUR FALLEN HEROES AND SAID, WHAT
IS IN IT FOR THEM.
BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU KNOW HE
ONLY THINKS ABOUT WHAT IS IS INT
FOR HIM.
LET'S TAKE WHAT HE SAID ABOUT
JOHN MCCAIN, A GREAT AMERICAN
HERO AND DONALD TRUMP SAYS, HE
DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE CALLED A
HERO BECAUSE HE WAS A PRISONER
OF WAR.
AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHO
IS THE CURRENT COMMANDER IN
CHIEF AND WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT
AND WHAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT.
PUBLIC REPORTING THAT RUSSIA HAD
BOUNTIES ON THE HEADS OF
AMERICAN SOLDIERS AND YOU KNOW
WHAT A BOUNTY IS?
IT IS SOMEBODY PUTS A PRICE ON
YOUR HEAD AND THEY WILL PAY IT
IF YOU ARE KILLED, AND WITH
DONALD TRUMP HAD TALKED AT LEAST
SIX TIMES TO VLADIMIR PUTIN AND
NEVER BROUGHT UP THE UBT.
VOAB WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> JOE BIDEN WOULD — JOBA WOULD
HOLD RUSSI
JOE BIDEN WOULD HOLD OF OUR
DEMOCRACY AND SAFETY.
>> THANK, YOU SENATOR HARRIS.
WE HAVE OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUES
AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
A ANCE TO TALK.
15 SECONDS, BECAUSE WE ARE
TRYING TO KEEP THIS — YOU'VE
HAD MORE TIME THAN SHE HAS HAD
SO FAR.
>> I'M SORRY, VICE PRESIDENT —
>> MY SON-IN-LAW IS DEPLOYED IN
THE UNITED STATES NAVY.
I CAN ASSURE ALL OF YOU, WITH
SONS AND DAUGHTERS IN THE
MILITARY, PRESIDENT TRUMP NOT
ONLY RESPECTS BUT REVIEWERS ALL
OF THOSE WHO SERVE IN OUR ARMED
FORCES.
ANY SUGGESTION OTHERWISE IS
RIDICULOUS.
>> THANK, YOU VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, I DID
NOT, EXCUSE ME, I DID NOT
CREATE THE RULES FOR TONIGHT.
YOUR CAMPAIGNS AGREED TO THE
RULES FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE,
WITH THE COMMISSION ON
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES.
I'M HERE TO ENFORCE, THEM WHICH
INVOLVES MOVING FROM ONE TOPIC
TO ANOTHER, GIVING ROUGHLY
EQUAL TIME TO BOTH OF YOU,
WHICH IS WHAT I'M TRYING VERY
HARD TO DO.
>> GO RIGHT AHEAD.
>> I WANT TO MOVE ON TO THE
NEXT TOPIC, AN IMPORTANT ONE,
AS THE LAST TOPIC WAS, AND THAT
IS THE SUPREME COURT.
ON MONDAY, THE SENATE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE IS SCHEDULED TO OPEN
HEARINGS ON AMY CONEY BARRETT'S
NOMINATION TO THE SUPREME
COURT.
SENATOR, HARRIS YOU WILL BE
THERE AS A MEMBER OF THE
COMMITTEE.
HER CONFIRMATION WITH CEMENT
THE COURT'S CONSERVATIVE
MAJORITY AND MAKE IT LIKELY
OPEN TO MORE ABORTION
RESTRICTIONS, EVEN TO
OVERTURNING THE LANDMARK ROE V.
WADE RULING.
ACCESS TO ABORTION WOULD THEN
BE UP TO THE STATES.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, YOU ARE
THE FORMER GOVERNOR OF INDIANA.
IF ROE V. WADE IS OVERTURNED,
WHAT WOULD YOU WANT INDIANA TO
DO?
WOULD YOU WANT YOUR HOME STATE
TO BAN ALL ABORTIONS?
YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES,
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION,
BUT I'LL USE A LITTLE BIT OF MY
TIME TO RESPOND TO THAT VERY
IMPORTANT ISSUE BEFORE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO
KNOW, QASSEM SOLEIMANI, THE
IRANIAN GENERAL, RESPONSIBLE
FOR THE DEATH OF HUNDREDS OF
AMERICAN SERVICE MEMBERS.
WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY CAME, WE
SAW HIM HEADED TO BAGHDAD TO
KILL MORE AMERICANS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP DIDN'T
HESITATE.
AND QASSEM SOLEIMANI IS GONE.
YOU DESERVE TO KNOW THAT JOE
BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS
ACTUALLY CRITICIZE THE DECISION
TO TAKE OUT QASSEM SOLEIMANI.
IT'S REALLY INEXPLICABLE, BUT
WITH REGARD TO JOE BIDEN, IT'S
EXPLAINABLE.
HISTORY RECORDS THAT JOE BIDEN
ACTUALLY OPPOSED THE RATE
AGAINST OSAMA BIN LADEN.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT
WE HAVE A COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
WHO WILL NOT HESITATE TO ACT
AND PROTECT AMERICAN LIVES, AND
TO PROTECT AMERICAN SERVICE
MEMBERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN
PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP.
WITH REGARD TO THE SUPREME
COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, LET
ME SAY PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I
COULD NOT BE MORE ENTHUSIASTIC
ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE
JUDGING ME CONEY BARRETT BECOME
JUSTICE AMY CONEY BARRETT.
SHE'S A BRILLIANT WOMAN.
AND SHE WILL BRING A LIFETIME
OF EXPERIENCE AND A SIZEABLE
AMERICAN FAMILY TO THE SUPREME
COURT OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND OUR HOPE IS IN THE HEARING
NEXT, WEEK ON LIKE JUSTICE
KAVANAUGH RECEIVED, WITH
TREATMENT FROM YOU AND OTHERS,
WE HOPE SHE GETS A FAIR
HEARING.
WE PARTICULARLY HOPE THAT WE
DON'T SEE THE KIND OF ATTACKS
ON HER CHRISTIAN FAITH THAT WE
SAW BEFORE.
THE DEMOCRAT CHAIRMAN OF THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE BEFORE,
WHEN JUDGE BARRETT WAS BEING
CONFIRMED FOR THE COURT OF
APPEALS, EXPRESSED CONCERN AT
THE DOGMA OF HER FAITH.
DICK DURBIN OF ILLINOIS SAID IT
WAS A CONCERN.
SENATOR, I KNOW ONE OF OUR
JUDICIAL NOMINEES.
YOU ACTUALLY ATTACK BECAUSE
THEY WERE A MEMBER OF THE
CATHOLIC NIGHTS OF COLUMBUS,
JUST BECAUSE THE NIGHTS OF
COLUMBUS HOLD PRO LIFE VIEWS —
>> THANK YOU VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
THANK YOU VICE PRESIDENT PENCE.
. THANK YOU VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
SENATOR HARRIS, YOU ARE THE
SENATOR FROM A FORMER ATTORNEY
GENERAL OF CALIFORNIA.
LET ME ASK YOU A PARALLEL
QUESTION TO THE ONE I POSED TO
THE VICE PRESIDENT.
IF ROE V. WADE IS OVERTURNED,
WHAT WOULD YOU WANT CALIFORNIA
TO DO?
WE DO WANT YOUR HOME STATE TO
ENACT NO RESTRICTIONS ON ACCESS
TO ABORTION?
AND YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES,
UNINTERRUPTED.
>> THANK YOU, SUSAN.
JOE BIDEN AND I ARE BOTH PEOPLE
OF FAITH.
AND IT'S INSULTING TO SUGGEST
THAT WE WOULD KNOCK ANYONE FOR
THEIR FAITH, AND IN FACT, JOE,
IF ELECTED, WILL BE ONLY THE
2ND PRACTICING CATHOLIC AS
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
ON THE ISSUE OF THIS
NOMINATION, JOE AND I ARE VERY
CLEAR, AS ARE THE MAJORITY OF
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, WE ARE 27
DAYS BEFORE THE DECISION ABOUT
WHO WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES.
AND BEFORE WHEN, THIS
CONVERSATION HAS COME UP, IT'S
BEEN ABOUT ELECTION YEAR, OR
ELECTION TIME.
WE ARE LITERALLY IN AN
ELECTION.
OVER 4 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE
VOTED.
PEOPLE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
VOTING RIGHT NOW, AND SO JOE
HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR, AS THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE.
LET THE AMERICAN PEPLE FILL
THAT SEAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
AND THEN WE WILL FILL THAT SEAT
ON THE UNITED STATES SUPREME
COURT.
THE ISSUE BEFORE US COULDN'T BE
MORE SERIOUS.
THERE IS THE ISSUE OF CHOICE,
AND I WILL ALWAYS FIGHT FOR A
WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MAKE A
DECISION ABOUT HER OWN BODY.
IT SHOULD BE HER DECISION AND
NOT THAT OF DONALD TRUMP AND
THE VICE PRESIDENT MICHAEL
PENCE.
BUT LET'S ALSO LOOK AT WHAT'S
ALSO BEFORE THE COURT, IT'S THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
LITERALLY, IN THE MIDST OF A
PUBLIC HEALTH PANDEMIC, WHEN
OVER 210,000 PEOPLE HAVE DIED,
AND 7 MILLION PEOPLE PROBABLY
HAVE WHAT WILL BE IN THE FUTURE
CONSIDERED A PRE-EXISTING
CONDITION BECAUSE YOU
CONTRACTED THE VIRUS.
DONALD TRUMP IS IN COURT RIGHT
NOW TRYING TO GET RID OF THE
AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, AND I'VE
SAID IT BEFORE, AND IT BEARS
REPEATING.
THIS MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE
NO MOREPROTECTIONS, IF THEY
WIN, FOR PEOPLE WITH PRE-
EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THIS MEANS THAT OVER 20 MILLION
PEOPLE WILL LOSE YOUR COVERAGE.
IT MEANS THAT IF YOU ARE UNDER
THE AGE OF 26, YOU CAN'T STAY
ON YOUR PARENTS COVERAGE
ANYMORE.
AND HERE'S THE THING.
THE CONTRAST COULDN'T BE MORE
CLEAR.
THEY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF
THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
JOE BIDEN IS SAYING LET'S
EXPAND COVERAGE.
LET'S GIVE AN OPTION OF PUBLIC
OR PRIVATE COVERAGE.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.
YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE, THAT THE
PRESIDENT WAS COMMITTED TO
MAINTAINING PROTECTIONS FOR
PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING
CONDITIONS.
BUT YOU DO HAVE THIS COURT CASE
THAT YOUR ADMINISTRATION WAS
SUPPORTING THAT WOULD STRIKE
DOWN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT.
THE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP,
SAYS HE WILL PROTECT PEOPLE
WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS,
BUT HE HAS NOT EXPLAINED HOW HE
WOULD DO THAT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST
NUTS TO CRACK WHEN THEY WERE
PASSING THE AFFORDABLE CARE
ACT.
TELL US SPECIFICALLY, HOW WOULD
JORDAN MINISTRATION PROTECT
AMERICANS WITH PRE-EXISTING
CONDITIONS, IF THE AFFORDABLE
CARE ACT IS STRUCK DOWN?
>> THANK, YOU SUSAN.
LET ME JUST SAY, AND ANSWERING
YOUR FIRST QUESTION, I COULDN'T
BE MORE PROUD TO SERVE AS VICE
PRESIDENT TO A PRESIDENT WHO
STANDS WITHOUT APOLOGY FOR THE
SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.
I AM PRO-LIFE, AND I DON'T
APOLOGIZE FOR IT.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF
THOSE CASES WHERE THERE IS SUCH
A DRAMATIC CONTRAST.
JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS,
FOR TAXPAYER FUNDING ABORTION,
ALL THE WAY UP TO THE MOMENT OF
BIRTH.
LATE TERM ABORTION.
THEY WANT TO DECREASE FUNDING
TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD OF
AMERICA.
I WOULD NEVER PRESUME HOW JUDGE
AMY CONEY BARRETT WOULD RULE ON
THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO STAND
STRONG FOR THE RIGHT TO LIFE.
WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE
SUPREME COURT, THOUGH, I THINK
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE AN
ANSWER, SENATOR HARRIS.
ARE YOU IN JOE BIDEN GOING TO
PACK THE COURT IF JUDGE AMY
CONEY BARRETT IS CONFIRMED?
THERE'S BEEN 29 VACANCIES ON
THE SUPREME COURT DURING
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEARS
FROM GEORGE WASHINGTON TO
BARACK OBAMA.
PRESIDENTS HAVE NOMINATED IN
ALL 29 CASES.
BUT YOUR PARTY IS ACTUALLY
OPENLY ADVOCATING, ADDING SEATS
TO THE SUPREME, WHICH HAS HAD 9
SEATS FOR 150 YEARS, IFYOU
DON'T GET YOUR WAY.
THIS IS A CLASSIC CASE OF IF
YOU CAN'T WIN BY THE RULES, YOU
ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES.
YOU HAVE REFUSED TO ANSWER THE
QUESTION.
JOE BIDEN HAS REFUSED TO ANSWER
THE QUESTION.
SO I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW.
JUDGE AMY CONEY BARRETT
CONFIRMED THE SUPREME COURT OF
UNITED STATES, ARE YOU IN JOE
BIDEN, IF SOMEHOW YOU WIN THIS
ELECTION, GOING TO PACK THE
SUPREME COURT TO GET YOUR WAY?
>> I'M SO GLAD WE WENT THROUGH
A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON.
LET'S DO THAT A LITTLE MORE.

>> NO, I'D LIKE YOU TO ANSWER
THE QUESTION.
>> MISTER VICE PRESIDENT, I'M
SPEAKING.
I'M SPEAKING,?
OKAY
>> —
>> IN 1860, FOR ONE OF THE
POLITICAL HEROES, ABRAHAM
LINCOLN, ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS UP
FOR REELECTION.
IT WAS 27 DAYS BEFORE THE
ELECTION, AND A SEAT BECAME
OPEN ON THE UNITED SUPREME
COURT.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S PARTY WAS IN
CHARGE, NOT ONLY OF THE WHITE
ú
BUT ON A STABLE SAID IT'S NOT
THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO
MAKE THE DECISION ABOUT WHO
WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES, AND THEN
THAT PERSON CAN SELECT WHO WILL
SERVE FOR A LIFETIME ON THE
HIGHEST COURT OF OUR LAND.
AND SO JOE AND I ARE VERY
CLEAR.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VOTING
RIGHT NOW.
AND IT SHOULD BE THEIR DECISION
ABOUT WHO WILL SERVE ON THIS
MOST IMPORTANT BODY FOR A
LIFETIME.
>> THANK, YOU SENATOR HARRIS.
>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
VOTING RIGHT NOW.
THEY WANT TO KNOW IF YOU AND
JOE BIDEN ARE GOING TO PACK THE
SUPREME COURT IF YOU DON'T GET
YOUR WAY IN THIS NOMINATION.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT PACKING.
>> YOU GAVE A NON ANSWER.
JOE BIDEN GIVEN AN ANSWER.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE A
STRAIGHT ANSWER, AND IF YOU
CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT, YET THE
STRAIGHT ANSWER IS THEY ARE
GOING TO PACK THE SUPREME COURT
IF THEY SOMEHOW IN THIS
ELECTION.
I'VE GOT TO TELL, YOU PEOPLE
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, IF YOU
CHERISH OUR SUPREME COURT, IF
YOU CHERISHED SEPARATION OF
POWERS, YOU NEED TO REJECT THE
BIDEN HARRIS TICKET COME
NOVEMBER 3RD.
REELECT PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP,
WHO WILL STAND BY THE
SEPARATION OF POWERS IN A 9
SEAT SUPREME COURT.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT PACKING THE
COURT THEN.
I'M ABOUT TO.
SO THE TRUMP PENSIVE
MINISTRATION, BECAUSE I STOOD
ON THE SENATE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE, AND I'VE WITNESSED
THE APPOINTMENTS FOR LIFETIME
APPOINTMENTS TO THE FEDERAL
COURTS, DISTRICT COURTS, COURTS
OF APPEAL.
PEOPLE WHO ARE PURELY
IDEOLOGICAL, PEOPLE WHO HAVE
BEEN VIEWED BY LEGAL
PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND
FOUND TO HAVE BEEN NOT
COMPETENT, ARE SUBSTANDARD.
AND DO YOU KNOW THAT OF THE 50
PEOPLE WHO PRESIDENT TRUMP
APPOINTED TO THE COURT OF
APPEALS FOR A LIFETIME
APPOINTMENTS, THIS IS WHAT
THEY'VE BEEN DOING.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PACKING
A COURT.
LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
LET'S GO ON AND TALK ABOUT THE
ISSUE OF RACIAL JUSTICE —
>> I WANT THE RECORD TO
REFLECT, SHE NEVER ANSWERED A
QUESTION.
AT THE NEXT, DEBATE JOE BIDEN
HAS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> THANK, YOU VICE PRESIDENT.
IN MARCH, BREONNA TAYLOR, A 26-
YEAR-OLD EMT IN LOUISVILLE WAS
KILLED AFTER POLICE OFFICERS
EXECUTING A SEARCH WARRANT AND
A NARCOTICS INVESTIGATION BROKE
INTO HER APARTMENT.
THEY POLICE SAY THEY IDENTIFIED
THEMSELVES.
TAYLOR'S BOYFRIEND SAID HE
DIDN'T HEAR THAT.
HE USED A GUN REGISTER TO HIM
TO FIRE A SHOT WHICH WOUNDED AN
OFFICER.
THE OFFICERS THEN FIRED MORE
THAN 20 ROUNDS INTO THE
APARTMENT.
THEY SAY THEY WERE ACTING IN
SELF-DEFENSE.
NONE OF THEM HAD BEEN INDICTED
IN CONNECTION WITH HER DEATH.
SENATOR HARRIS, IN THE CASE OF
BREONNA TAYLOR, WAS JUSTICE
DONE?
YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO, AND I'VE
TALKED WITH BREONNA'S MOTHER,
TOMIKA PALMER, AND HER FAMILY,
AND HER FAMILY DESERVES
JUSTICE.
SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG
WOMAN.
SHE HAD AS HER LIFE GOAL TO
BECOME A NURSE AND SHE WANTED
TO BECOME AN EMT TO LEARN
WHAT'S GOING ON OUT ON THE
STREET, SO SHE CAN BECOME A
NURSE AND SAVE LIVES.
AND HER LIFE WAS TAKEN, AND
JUSTIFIABLY, AND TRAGICALLY,
AND VIOLENTLY.
AND IT BRINGS ME TO THE 8
MINUTES AND 46 SECONDS THAT
AMERICA WITNESSED, DURING WHICH
AN AMERICAN MAN WAS TORTURED
AND KILLED, UNDER THE KNEE OF
AN ARMED UNIFORMED POLICE
OFFICER.
AND PEOPLE AROUND OUR COUNTRY,
OF EVERY RACE, OF EVERY AGE, OF
EVERY GENDER, PERFECT STRANGERS
TO EACH OTHER, MARCHED SHOULDER
TO SHOULDER, ARM IN ARM,
FIGHTING FOR US TO FINALLY
ACHIEVE THAT IDEAL OF EQUAL
JUSTICE UNDER LAW.
AND I WAS A PART OF THOSE
PEACEFUL PROTESTS.
AND I BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT,
FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE NEVER
GOING TO CONDONE VIOLENCE, BUT
WE ALWAYS MUST FIGHT FOR THE
VALUES THAT WE HOLD DEAR,
INCLUDING THE FIGHT TO ACHIEVE
OUR IDEALS.
AND THAT'S WHY JOE BIDEN AND I
HAVE SAID ON THIS SUBJECT, AND
I AM A FORMER CAREER
PROSECUTOR.
I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
BAD COPS ARE BAD FOR GOOD COPS.
WE NEED REFORM OF OUR POLICING
IN AMERICA AND OUR CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM, WHICH IS WHY
JOE AND I WILL IMMEDIATELY
BANNED CHOKEHOLD AND KARATE IT
HOLDS.
GEORGE FLOYD WOULD BE ALIVE
TODAY IF WE DID THAT.
WE WILL REQUIRE A NATIONAL
REGISTRY FOR POLICE OFFICERS
WHO BREAK THE LAW.
ON THE ISSUE OF CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM GET RID OF
PRIVATE PRISONS, AND CASH BAIL,
AND WE WILL DECRIMINALIZED
MARIJUANA AND WE WILL EXPUNGED
THE RECORDS OF THOSE WHO HAVE
BEEN CONVICTED OF MARIJUANA.
>> THANK, YOU SENATOR HARRIS.
>> THE LEADERSHIP OF A TRAGIC
ISSUE ON BLACK PEOPLE IN
AMERICA.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, LET ME
POSE THE SAME QUESTION TO YOU.
IN THE CASE OF BREONNA TAYLOR,
WAS JUSTICE DONE?
YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES,
UNINTERRUPTED
>> WE WELL, OUR HEART BREAKS
FOR THE LOSS OF ANY INNOCENT
AMERICAN LIFE, AND THE FAMILY
OF BREONNA TAYLOR HAS OUR
SYMPATHIES.
BUT I TRUST OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM,
A GRAND JURY THAT REFUSED THE
EVIDENCE.
IT REALLY IS REMARKABLE THAT AS
A FORMER PROSECUTOR, YOU WOULD
ASSUME THAT A GRANDEUR LOOK AT
ALL THE EVIDENCE GOT IT WRONG
BUT.
YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN
OPINION, SENATOR.
AND WITH REGARD TO GEORGE
FLOYD, THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR
WHAT HAPPENED TO GEORGE FLOYD.
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED.
BUT THERE ALSO NO EXCUSE FOR
THE WRITING AND THE LOOTING
THAT FOLLOWED.
I MEAN, IT IS ASTONISHING
WESTBROOK IS WITH US IN.
SALT LAKE CITY.
A FEW WEEKS AGO, I STOOD AT
WHAT USED TO BE HER SALON.
IT WAS BURNED TO THE GROUND BY
RIOTERS AND LOOTERS, WE AND SHE
IS STILL TRYING TO PUT HER LIFE
BACK TOGETHER.
I MUST TELL YOU, THIS
PRESUMPTION THAT YOU HEAR
CONSISTENTLY FROM JOE BIDEN AND
KAMALA HARRIS THAT AMERICA IS
SYSTEMICALLY RACIST.
AS JOE BIDEN SAID, HE BELIEVES
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS AN
IMPLICIT BIAS AGAINST
MINORITIES.
WE IT'S A GREAT INSULT TO THE
MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT, AND I WANT
EVERYONE TO KNOW WHO PUTS ON
THE UNIFORM OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
EVERY DAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP AND
I STAND WITH YOU.
IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WHEN
SENATOR TIM SCOTT TRIED TO PASS
A POLICE REFORM BILL, BROUGHT
TOGETHER A GROUP OF REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS, SENATOR HARRIS,
YOU'VE GOT UP AND WALKED OUT OF
THE ROOM.
AND YOU FILIBUSTERED SENATOR
TIM SCOTT'S DEAL ON THE SENATE
FLOOR THAT WOULD PROVIDE A NEW
ACCOUNTABILITY, NEW REPEAT
RESOURCES, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO
CHOOSE BETWEEN SUPPORTING ON 4
SPENT, PROVING PUBLIC SAFETY,
AND SUPPORTING OUR AFRICAN
AMERICAN MEMBERS, ALL OF OUR
MINORITIES UNDER PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S LEADERSHIP, WHO HAS
ALWAYS STOOD WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND WILL DO WHAT
WE'VE DONE — THE LIVES OF
AFRICAN AMERICANS.
>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
>> WE WILL FIGHT FOR SCHOOL
CHOICE FOR ALL OF OUR MEMBERS.
>> I'D LIKE TO RESPOND.
>> SENATOR HARRIS.
OH NOT SO YOU WOULD BE LECTURED
BY THE VICE PRESIDENT ON ONE
MEANS TO FORCE THE LAWS OF OUR
COUNTRY.
I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THIS STAGE
WHO HAS PERSONALLY PROSECUTED
EVERYTHING FROM CHILD SEXUAL
ASSAULT IN HOMICIDE.
I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THE STAGE
WAS PROSECUTED THE BIG BAGS FOR
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AMERICAS
HOMEOWNERS.
UNKNOWN ON THE STAGE YOU
PROSECUTED FOR PROFIT COLLEGES
FOR TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR
VETERANS.
THE REALITY OF THIS IS THAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ELECTION
IN 27 DAYS WE THE PRESIDENT
TOOK THE DEBATE STAGE IN FRONT
OF 7 MILLION AMERICANS AND
REFUSED TO CONDEMN WHITE
SUPREMACISTS.
AND IT WASN'T LIKE HE DIDN'T
HAVE A CHANCE.
HE DIDN'T DO IT, AND THEN HE
DOUBLED DOWN.
AND THEN HE SAID, WHEN PRESSED,
STAND BACK.
STANDBY.
WE AND THIS IS A PART OF A
PATTERN OF DONALD TRUMP'S WE.
HE CALLED MEXICANS RAPISTS AND
CRIMINALS.
HE INSTITUTED AS HIS FIRST ACT
A MUSLIM BAN, ON THE ISSUE OF
CHARLOTTESVILLE.
WHERE PEOPLE WERE PEACEFULLY
PROTESTING WITH A NEED FOR
RACIAL JUSTICE, WHERE A YOUNG
WOMAN WAS KILLED, AND ON THE
OTHER SIDE, THERE WERE NEO-
NAZIS CARRYING TEA CHURCHES,
SHOUTING RACIAL EPITHETS, ANTI-
SEMITIC WHISTLER'S, AND DONALD,
TRUMP WHEN ASKED ABOUT IT, SAID
THEY WERE FINE PEOPLE ON BOTH
SIDES.
THIS IS WHO WE HAVE AS THE
PRESIDENT, AND AMERICA, YOU
DESERVE BETTER.
JOE BIDEN WILL BE A PRESIDENT
WHO BRINGS OUR COUNTRY
TOGETHER, AND RECOGNIZES THE
BEAUTY AND OUR DIVERSITY AND
THE FACT THAT WE ALL HAVE SO
MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN WHAT
SEPARATES US.
>> VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, LET ME
GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO RESPOND.
>> THANK YOU, SUSAN, I
APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
WE KNOW, AT ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT MAKES PEOPLE DISLIKE THE
MEDIA SO MUCH IN THIS COUNTRY,
SUSAN.
YOU SELECTIVELY ADDED, LIKE
SENATOR HARRIS DID, COMMENTS
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I AND
OTHERS ON OUR SIDE OF THE AISLE
MAKE WE.
SENATOR HARRIS CONVENIENTLY
EMITTED AFTER THE PRESIDENT
MADE COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE ON
EITHER SIDE OF THE DEBATE OVER
MONUMENTS, HE CONDEMNED THE
KKK, NEO-NAZIS, AND WHITE
SUPREMACISTS AND HAS DONE SO
REPEATEDLY YOU ARE CONCERNED
THAT HE DOESN'T CONDEMN NEO-
NAZIS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS JEWISH
GRANDCHILDREN.
HIS DAUGHTER AND SON LARGELY
WISH.
THIS IS THE PRESIDENT WHO
RESPECTS AND CHERISHES ALL OF
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
YOU TALK ABOUT HAVING
PERSONALLY PROSECUTED, I'M GLAD
YOU BROUGHT UP YOUR RECORD,
SENATOR.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I NEED TO MAKE THIS POINT.
WHEN YOU ARE DA, IN SAN
FRANCISCO, WHEN YOU LEFT
OFFICE, AFRICAN AMERICANS WERE
19 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE
PROSECUTED FOR MINOR DRUG
DEFENSES THAN WHITES AND
HISPANICS.
WHEN YOUR ATTORNEY GENERAL OF
CALIFORNIA, YOU INCREASED THE
DISPROPORTIONATE INCARCERATION
OF BLACKS IN CALIFORNIA.
YOU DID NOTHING ON CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM AND CALIFORNIA.
YOU DIDN'T LIFT A FINGER TO
PASS THE FIRST STEP ACT ON
CAPITOL HILL.
THE REALITY IS, YOUR RECORD
SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I HAVE
FOUGHT FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM —
>> THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
>> AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR
AFRICAN AMERICANS.
>> THANK, YOU SIR.
>> YOU WILL DO IT FOR 4 MORE
YEARS.
>> THERE IS NO MORE IMPORTANT
ISSUE THAN THE FINAL ISSUE THAT
WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
TONIGHT, AND THAT IS THE ISSUE
OF THE ELECTION.
>> HE ATTACKED MY RECORD.
I LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO
RESPOND.
>> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS.
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT.
>> FIRST OF ALL, HAVING SERVED
AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE
STATE OF CALIFORNIA, THE WORK
THAT I DID IS A MODEL OF WHAT
OUR NATION NEEDS TO DO, AND YOU
WILL BE ABLE TO DO UNDER A JOE
BIDEN PRESIDENCY.
WE OUR AGENDA INCLUDES WHAT
THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS FAILED
TO DO.
IT WILL BE ABOUT NOT ONLY
INSTITUTING A BAN ON CHOKEHOLDS
AND OTHER HOLDS — I WOULD LIKE
TO GO THROUGH —
>> THESE OUR POINTS A BIT
EARLIER IN THE HOUR, AND WANT
TO TALK ABOUT THE ELECTION
ITSELF BEFORE WE HAVE TO GO.
>> BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT JOE AND
I WILL DO AND MY RECORD, WHICH
INCLUDES I WAS THE FIRST
STATEWIDE OFFICER TO INSTITUTE
A REQUIREMENT THAT MY AGENTS
WOULD WEAR BODY CAMERAS INTO
THE MONTH FULL-TIME.
WE WERE THE FIRST TO INITIATE A
REQUIREMENT THAT THERE WOULD BE
A TRAINING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
ON IMPLICIT BIAS, BECAUSE, YES
JOE BIDEN AND I RECOGNIZED THAT
IMPLICIT BIAS DOES EXIST,
MISTER VICE PRESIDENT.
CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU MAY
BELIEVE.
WE DID THE WORK OF INSTITUTING
REFORMS THAT WERE ABOUT
INVESTING IN REENTRY.
THIS IS THE WORK THAT WE HAVE
DOWN, AND THE WORK WE WILL DO
GOING FORWARD, AND AGAIN I WILL
NOT BE LECTURED BY THE VICE
PRESIDENT ON OUR RECORD OF WHAT
WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT, AND KEEPING OUR
COMMUNITY SAFE, AND A
COMMITMENT TO REFORMING
CRIMINAL JUSTICE IN AMERICA.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.
I WOULD LIKE TO POSE THE FIRST
— I WOULD ASK YOU TO RESPOND
TO THE QUESTION ON OUR FINAL
TOPIC, THE ELECTION ITSELF.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS REFUSED TO
COMMIT HIMSELF TO A PEACEFUL
TRANSFER OF POWER AFTER THE
ELECTION.
IF YOUR TICKET WINDS, AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP REFUSES TO
ACCEPT A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF
POWER, BUT STEPS WHAT YOU AND
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN THEN TAKE?
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN NEXT?
YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES.
>> SO, I WILL TELL YOU, JOE AND
I ARE AT A PARTICULARLY PROUD
WE COALITION WE BUILT AROUND
OUR CAMPAIGN.
WE HAVE ONE OF THE BROADEST
COALITIONS OF FOLKS YOU HAVE
EVER SEEN IN A PRESIDENTIAL
RACE.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE SUPPORT
OF DEMOCRATS, BUT ALSO
INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS,
AND IN FACT, 7 MEMBERS OF
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH HIS
CABINET ARE SUPPORTING OUR
TICKET.
WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF COLIN
POWELL, CINDY MCCAIN, JOHN
KASICH, OVER 500 GENERALS
RETIRED GENERALS AND FORMER
NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERTS
ADVISERS ARE SUPPORTING OUR
CAMPAIGN.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE DOING THAT
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT JOE
BIDEN HAS A DEEP, DEEP SEATED
COMMITTED TO FIGHT FOR OUR
DEMOCRACY.
AND HE FIGHT FOR THE INTEGRITY
OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND TO BRING
INTEGRITY BACK TO THE WHITE
HOUSE.
SO, WE BELIEVE IN THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
WE BELIEVE IN OUR DEMOCRACY,
AND HERE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE
TO SAY TO EVERYBODY.
VOTE, PLEASE VOTE.
VOTE EARLY, COME UP WITH A PLAN
TO VOTE, GOT YOU I WILL GO
.COM, YOU CAN ALSO GO TO JOE
BIDEN .COM.
WE HAVE IT WITHIN OUR POWER IN
THE NEXT 27 DAYS TO MAKE THE
DECISION ABOUT WHAT WILL BE THE
COURSE OF OUR COUNTRY FOR THE
NEXT 4 YEARS, AND IT IS WITHIN
OUR POWER, AND IF WE USE OUR
VOTE, AND USE OUR VOICE, WE
WILL WIN.
AND WE WILL NOT LET ANYONE
SUBVERT OUR DEMOCRACY WITH WHAT
DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN DOING AS
HE DID ON THE DEBATE STAGE LAST
WEEK, WHEN AGAIN, IN FRONT OF
70 MILLION PEOPLE, HE OPENLY A
TEMPTED TO SUPPRESS THE VOTE.
JOE BIDEN, ON THE OTHER HAND,
ON THAT SAME DEBATE STAGE,
BECAUSE CLEARLY DONALD TRUMP
DOESN'T THINK HE CAN RUN ON
RECORD, BECAUSE IT'S A FIELD
RECORD, JOE BIDEN, ON THAT
STAGE, SAID, HEY, JUST PLEASE
VOTE.
I WILL REPEAT WHAT JOE SAID.
PLEASE VOTE.
>> THANK, YOU SENATOR.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, PRESIDENT
TRUMP HAS SEVERAL TIMES REFUSED
TO COMMIT HIMSELF TO A PEACEFUL
TRANSFER OF POWER AFTER THE
ELECTION.
IF VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN IS
DECLARED THE WINNER AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP REFUSES TO
ACCEPT A PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF
POWER, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ROLE
IN RESPONSE AS VICE PRESIDENT?
BUT WOULD YOU PERSONALLY DO?
YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES.
>> SUSAN, FIRST AND FOREMOST,
WE ARE GOING TO WIN THIS
ELECTION BECAUSE WHILE JOE
BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS WERE
AFTER ALONG WITH ANY OF THE
ESTABLISHMENT AND WASHINGTON
D.C., AND ESTABLISH FOR THAT
JOB AND HAS BEEN A PART OF HER
47 YEARS, PRESIDENT DONALD
TRUMP HAS LAUNCHED MOVEMENT ON
EVERYDAY AMERICANS FROM EVERY
WALK OF LIFE.
AND I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE
THAT THE SAME AMERICANS THAT
DELIVERED A HISTORIC VICTORY IN
2016, THEY SEE THIS PRESIDENTS
RECORD WHERE WE REBUILD OUR
MILITARY.
WE REVIVED OUR ECONOMY THROUGH
TAX CUTS AND ROLLING BACK
REGULATION, FIGHTING FOR FAIR
TRADE, UNLEASHING AMERICA
ENERGY.
WE POINTED CONSERVATIVES TO OUR
FEDERAL COURTS AT EVERY LEVEL,
AND WE STOOD WITH THE MEN AND
WOMEN OF LAW ENFORCEMENT EVERY
SINGLE, DAY AND I THINK THAT
MOVEMENT OF AMERICANS IS ONLY
GROWING STRONGER IN THE LAST 4
YEARS.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ACCEPTING
THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION, I
MUST TELL YOU, SENATOR, YOUR
PARTY HAS BEEN THE LAST 3 AND
HAVE YEARS TRYING TO OVERTURN
THE RESULTS OF THE LAST
ELECTION.
IT'S AMAZING.
WHEN JOE BIDEN IS VICE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
THE FBI ACTUALLY SPIED ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MY
CAMPAIGN.
I MEAN, THERE WERE DOCUMENTS
RELEASED THIS WEEK THAT THE CIA
ACTUALLY MADE A REFERRAL TO THE
FBI DOCUMENTING THAT THOSE
ALLEGATIONS WERE COMING FROM
THE HILLARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN.
OF COURSE, WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE
AVALANCHE, WITH WHAT YOU PUT
THE COUNTRY THROUGH FOR THE
BETTER PART OF 3 YEARS UNTIL IS
FOUND THERE IS NO OBSTRUCTION,
NO COLLUSION, CASE CLOSED AND
SEND SENATOR HARRIS, YOU AND
YOUR COLLEAGUES IN CONGRESS TRY
TO IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES OVER A PHONE
CALL.
NOW, HILLARY COULDN'T IS
ACTUALLY SAYING TO JOE BIDEN
THAT IN HER WORDS UNDER NO
CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD HE CONCEDED
THE ELECTION.
SO, LET ME SAY, I THINK WE ARE
GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION.
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I ARE
FIGHTING EVERY DAY IN COURT
HOUSES TO PREVENT JOE BIDEN AND
KAMALA HARRIS FROM CHANGING THE
RULES, AND CREATING THIS
UNIVERSAL MAIL-IN VOTING THAT
WILL CREATE A MASSIVE
OPPORTUNITY FOR VOTER FRAUD.
WE HAVE A FREE AND FAIR
ELECTION.
WE KNOW WE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN
IT, AND I BELIEVE IN ALL MY
HEART THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
GOING TO BE REELECTED FOR 4
MORE YEARS.
>> I HAVE ASKED AND READ ALL
THE QUESTIONS AND HAVE ASKED,
BUT FOR THE FINAL QUESTION OF
THE DEBATE, I WOULD LIKE TO
READ A QUESTION THAT SOMEONE
ELSE WROTE.
THE UTAH DEBATE COMMISSION
ASKED STUDENTS IN THE STATE TO
WRITE ESSAYS ABOUT WHAT THEY
WOULD LIKE TO ASK, YOU AND I
WANT TO CLOSE TONIGHT'S DEBATE
WITH A QUESTION POSED BY
RECOMMEND BROWN.
AN 8TH GRADER AT SPRINGFIELD
YOUR HIGH IN UTAH.
HERE'S WHAT SHE WROTE.
QUOTE, WHEN I WATCH THE NEWS,
ALL I SEE IS ARGUING BETWEEN
DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS.
WHEN I WATCH THE NEWS, ALL I
SEE IS CITIZEN FIGHTING AGAINST
CITIZEN.
WHEN I WATCH THE NEWS, ALL I
SEE OUR 2 CANDIDATES FROM
OPPOSING PARTIES TRYING TO TEAR
EACH OTHER DOWN.
IF OUR LEADERS CAN'T GT ALONG,
HOW ARE THE CITIZEN SUPPOSED TO
GET ALONG?
AND THEN SHE ADDED, YOUR
EXAMPLES CAN MAKE ALL THE
DIFFERENCE TO BRING US
TOGETHER.
SO, TO EACH OF YOU INTERN, I
WOULD LIKE YOU TO TAKE ONE
MINUTE AND RESPOND TO BROOKLYN.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE, YOU HAVE
ONE MINUTE.
>> THAT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.
WE AND LET ME JUST COMMEND YOU
FOR TAKING AN INTEREST IN
PUBLIC LIFE I STARTED.
FOLLOWING THE NEWS WHEN I WAS
VERY YOUNG.
AND IN AMERICA WE, BELIEVE IN A
FREE AND OPEN EXCHANGE OF
DEBATE.
AND WE CELEBRATE THAT.
IT'S HOW WE HAVE CREATED,
LITERALLY, THE MOST PROSPEROUS
NATION IN HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT WE
DON'T ASSUME THAT WHAT YOU ARE
SEEING ON YOUR LOCAL WE NEWS
NETWORKS IS SYNONYMOUS WITH THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JUSTICE
RUTH BADER GINSBURG, DELIGHT
JUSTICE WHO WE JUST LOST FROM
THE SUPREME COURT.
WE AND THE LATE JUSTICE ANTONIN
SCALIA.
THEY WERE ON POLAR OPPOSITES ON
THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
STATES.
ONE VERY LIBERAL, ONE VERY
CONSERVATIVE.
WHAT'S BEEN LEARNED SINCE HER
PASSING WAS THE 2 OF THEM AND
THEIR FAMILIES WERE THE VERY
CLOSEST OF FRIENDS.
HERE IN AMERICA, WE CAN
DISAGREE.
WE CAN DEBATE VIGOROUSLY, AS
SENATOR HARRIS AND I HAVE ON
THIS STAGE TONIGHT.
BUT WHEN THE DEBATE IS OVER, WE
COME TOGETHER AS AMERICANS.
AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO IN
BIG CITIES AND SMALL TOWNS ALL
ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE,
YOU BROOKLYN, I WANT TO TELL
YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO WORK
EVERY DAY TO HAVE GOVERNMENT AS
GOOD AS OUR PEOPLE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LOVE A GOOD
DEBATE, WE LOVE A GOOD
ARGUMENT, BUT WE ALWAYS COME
TOGETHER AND ARE ALWAYS THERE
FOR ONE ANOTHER IN TIMES OF
NEED.
>> THANK, YOU MISTER VICE
PRESIDENT.
SENATOR HARRIS, WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY TO BROOKLYN?
>> FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE HEARING
FROM YOUNG LEADERS, AND WHEN I
HEAR HER WORDS, WHEN I HEAR
YOUR WORDS, BROOKLYN, I KNOW
OUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT, BECAUSE
IT'S THAT PERSPECTIVE ON WHO WE
ARE IN WHO WE SHOULD BE THAT IS
A SIGN OF LEADERSHIP AND IS
SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL ASPIRE
TO BE.
AND THAT BRINGS ME TO JOE.
JOE BIDEN, ONE OF THE REASONS
HE DECIDED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT
IS AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE, WHICH
WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
IT'S SO TROUBLED HIM AND UPSET
HIM, LIKE IT DID ALL OF, US BUT
THERE WAS THAT KIND OF HATE AND
DIVISION, WHAT PROPELLED JOE TO
RUN FOR PRESIDENT WAS TO SEE
THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE
LAST 4 YEARS, WHAT BROOKLYN
DESCRIBED HAS BEEN HAPPENING.
JOE HAS A LONG-STANDING
REPUTATION OF WORKING ACROSS
THE AISLE, WORKING IN A
BIPARTISAN WAY.
THAT'S WHAT HE WILL DO AS
PRESIDENT.
JOE BIDEN HAS A HISTORY OF
LIFTING PEOPLE UP, AND FIGHTING
FOR THEIR DIGNITY.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW JOE'S STORY TO
KNOW THAT JOE HAS KNOWN PAIN,
KNOWN SUFFERING, AND KNOWN
LOVE.
AND SO BROOKLYN, WHEN YOU THINK
ABOUT THE FUTURE, I DO BELIEVE
THAT THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT, AND
IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF YOUR
LEADERSHIP, AND IT WILL BE
BECAUSE WE FIGHT FOR EACH
PERSON'S VOICE, THROUGH THEIR
VOTE, AND WE GET ENGAGED IN
THIS ELECTION, BECAUSE YOU HAVE
THE ABILITY, THROUGH YOUR WORK
AND THROUGH EVENTUALLY YOUR
VOTE.
YOU CAN DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF
OUR COUNTRY AND WHAT ITS
LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE.
>> THANK YOU, SENATOR HARRIS.
THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US
TONIGHT.
WE ALSO WANT TO THANK THE
UNIVERSITY OF UTAH FOR ITS
HOSPITALITY, AND MOST OF ALL,
OUR THANKS TO ALL THE AMERICANS
WHO WATCH THIS DEBATE TONIGHT.
OUR BEST WISHES FOR A QUICK
RECOVERY TO PRESIDENT TRUMP,
THE FIRST LADY, AND EVERYONE
WHO IS BATTLING COVID-19.
THE 2ND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE IS
NEXT WEEK ON OCTOBER 15TH.
A TOWN HALL STYLE DEBATE IN
MIAMI.
WE HOPE YOU WILL JOIN US THEN.
GOOD EVENING.
AND THAT CONCLUDES THE FIRST
AND ONLY VICE PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE FROM UTAH.
WE KNOW THE PLEXIGLASS IN
BETWEEN THEM DID NOT STOP THE
INTERRUPTIONS OF EITHER THE
MODERATOR OR THE CANDIDATES.
KAMALA HARRIS COMING OUT STRONG
IN THE BEGINNING, NOTING THAT
THE WAY THE ADMINISTRATION HAD
HANDLED THE COVID CRISIS WAS
THE GREATEST FAILURE OF ANY
PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION AND
THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, AND
THEN MIKE PENCE COMING BACK
TOUGH AS WELL, ESSENTIALLY
ACCUSING THE BIDEN PLAN OF
BEING EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT
THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ALREADY
DONE.
JOINING ME IS JOHN DICKERSON
AND GAYLE KING.
JOHN?
>> I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE
GLOBAL SITUATION, THE TRUMP
PENCE CAMPAIGN IS IN A
DIFFICULT SPOT.
THE GOALS ARE GOING IN THE
WRONG DIRECTION.
JOE BIDEN IS COMPETING IN
STATES WHERE TRUMP SHOULD HAVE
IT LOCKED UP.
TRUMP IS PERSONALLY SICK AND
HAD A BAD FIRST DEBATE.
IN THAT ENVIRONMENT, MIKE PENCE
DID WELL.
HIS BOSS WILL BE HAPPY.
YOU MENTIONED THE
INTERRUPTIONS.
THEY WERE MOSTLY ENTIRELY ON
THE PANTS SIDE.
BUT HE DID A SLOW JAZZ VERSION
OF INTERRUPTION, AS OPPOSED TO
THE TRUMP VERSION.
AND AS THEY TEACH YOU IN
DEBATES SCHOOL, YOU ANSWERED
THE QUESTION YOU WANT TO, NOT
THE ONE THAT'S ASKED.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER HIS
PERFORMANCE, ALL OF WHICH MAY
HAVE SCORED IN POINTS IN THE
NANOSECOND, THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN
HAD A HELPER ON THE STAGE.
2 PIECES OF PLEXIGLASS, WHICH
ARE THERE BECAUSE OF THE
ONGOING PANDEMIC.
AND THAT'S THE BIGGER STORY
THAT EXISTS OUTSIDE OF THIS
DEBATE STAGE TONIGHT.
AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE
NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN
TALKING ABOUT THE DEBATE AND
THE LARGER STORY GOING ON.
>> I THINK PEOPLE ARE WONDERING
WHY PENCE WAS EVEN ON THE
STAGE.
IF YOU LISTEN TO THE CDC RULES,
YOU AREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE
IN CONTACT WITH OTHER PEOPLE
WHEN YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO
SOMEONE WITH CORONAVIRUS.
I THOUGHT SUSAN PAGE SET THE
TONE VERY EARLY WHEN SHE SAID
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE TO
HAVE A CONVERSATION.
THEY DESERVE TO HAVE A
CIVILIZED CONVERSATION, WHICH I
THOUGHT FOR THE MOST PART WE
DID.
BUT MANY TIMES, I KEPT THINKING
I WISH THERE WERE THOUGHT
BUBBLES SO WE COULD SEE WHAT
THEY WERE EACH THINKING.
MANY TIMES, MORE ON THE MIKE
PENCE SIDE, WHERE HE DIDN'T
ANSWER THE QUESTION AND WOULD
PIVOT TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE WAS A POINT WHERE KAMALA
WAS ASKED TO QUESTION DIRECTLY
ABOUT SOCIAL DISTANCING AT THE
WHITE HOUSE ROSE GARDEN, AND
YOU COULD SEE KAMALA'S FACE
LIKE, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO
SAY.
AT ONE POINT, THEY WERE TALKING
ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM.
IT JUST IGG TIMING THAT A FLY
WOULD LAND ON MIKE PENCE'S
HEADED THAT TIME.
IT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
I DON'T WANT TO CALL THAT A
HIGHLIGHT, BUT IT WAS A
MEMORABLE MOMENT.
AND THE MOMENT WITH THE YOUNG
GIRL, WE WILL ALL KNOW WHO SHE
IS BY TOMORROW, AND THE
QUESTION SHE ASKED.
IF YOU CAN'T ALL GET ALONG, HOW
CAN WE?
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
QUESTION.
>> BUT MIKE PENCE WAS
MASTERFUL.
YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH ANYTHING
THE ADMINISTRATION DOES, BUT IN
TERMS OF HIS DEBATING STYLE, HE
REPEATEDLY DID NOT ANSWER THE
QUESTION POSED TO HIM ABOUT THE
RECORD OF THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION ON A NUMBER OF
ISSUES.
HE PIVOTED AND USED THE TIME TO
DELIVER A DIRECT ATTACK AGAINST
JOE BIDEN'S LONG RECORD IN
WASHINGTON.
AND I WAS STUNNED, BECAUSE I
THOUGHT THAT THE FORMER
PROSECUTOR KAMALA HARRIS, AND
SKILLED DEBATER, WOULD BE ABLE
TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS THE
TRUMP RECORD THAT WAS ON
DEFENSE.
AND MANY TIMES, IT SEEMED LIKE
KAMALA WAS ON DEFENSE.
>> SHE WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW THE
RULES THOUGH.
HE DID NOT DO THAT.
>> SOMETIMES IN THESE DEBATES,
IT'S JUST THE TURF YOU OWN IS
MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHETHER
YOUR ANSWER MAKES SENSE.
MIKE PENCE WAS VERY GOOD,
PARTICULARLY IN THE ECONOMIC
SECTION, TALKING ABOUT TAXES IN
TRADE.
IF ONLY TRUMP HAD THE
DISCIPLINE HE DOES.
THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE
FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
WE CAN TALK TO REINCE PRIEBUS
ABOUT THAT LATER.
THE 2ND THING ABOUT MIKE PENCE
IS, HE IS VERY ASSERTIVE, BUT
IS ASSERTION WHAT'S NEEDED FOR
THE CAMPAIGN OR IS PERSUASION?
HE CAN ASSERT TO THE CROWD THEY
HAVE, BUT TRUMP NEEDS TO DO
WELL WITH THE VOTERS HE'S BEEN
SHEDDING.
AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT JUST WITH
ASSERTION.
>> OUR TEAM WAS FOLLOWING IT
CLOSELY.
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE
INTERRUPTED SENATOR KAMALA
HARRIS TWICE AS OFTEN.
SHE INTERRUPTED HER, THE VICE
PRESIDENT INTERRUPTED SENATOR
KAMALA HARRIS 10 TIMES DURING
THIS DEBATE.
SUBURBAN WOMEN ARE A KEY
CONSTITUENCY.
DOES THAT MATTER?
OR IS IT THE CONTENT OF THE
DEBATE?
I WANT TO BRING IN NIKOLE
KILLION.
>> PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IF YOU
WANT TO FINISH A THOUGHT.
PEOPLE GIVE YOU A PASS ON THAT.
BUT MANY TIMES, HE FINISHED
THOUGHT AND KEPT GOING.
A FEW TIMES, I THOUGHT THIS IS
A VERY LONG 2 MINUTES HAPPENING
HERE.
>> BUT HE INTERRUPTED HER.
>> I HEARD HIM.
I HEARD HIM.
>> LET'S BRING IN NIKOLE
KILLION WHO WAS AT THE DEBATE
SITE.
NICOLE, YOUR TAKE?
>> I THINK IT WAS INTERESTING
FROM A NUMBER OF STANDPOINTS.
ONE NOTABLE MOMENT CAME TOWARDS
THE END OF THE DEBATE, WHERE
THESE SENATOR DID NOT ANSWER
THE QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE
ISSUE OF COURT PACKING.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SAW IN
LAST WEEK'S DEBATE AS WELL,
WHEN THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT
WAS PRESSED ON THAT ISSUE IN
LIGHT OF THE NOMINATION OF AMY
CONEY BARRETT AND WHETHER OR
NOT DEMOCRATS, IF THEY ARE TO
WIN IN THE ELECTION, IF THEY
WOULD THEN TRY TO PACK THE
COURT, DEPENDING ON HOW THIS
ALL PLAYS OUT.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING
THAT I PUT TO HER CHIEF OF
STAFF EARLIER TODAY, IF WE
WOULD GET A CLEAR ANSWER FROM
THE SENATOR ON THIS, AND
CLEARLY, SHE DID NOT.
BUT SHE DID STAND HER GROUND ON
THE ISSUE OF RACE, WHEN THAT
CAME UP.
SHE WAS VERY CLEAR AS FAR AS
CALLING OUT THAT MOMENT LAST
WEEK WITH THE PRESIDENT, WHEN
HE DID NOT DENOUNCE WHITE
SUPREMACY. I
SPOKE TO ONE OF HER CLOSE
FRIENDS TOWARDS THE END OF THE
DEBATE WHO SAID SHE BELIEVES
THAT THE SENATOR DISPLAYED TRUE
LEADERSHIP TONIGHT.
>> NIKOLE KILLION THERE, THAT'S
RIGHT, THE VICE PRESIDENT JOE
BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS HAVE
REPEATEDLY NOT WANTED TO ANSWER
THAT QUESTION FOR OBVIOUS
REASONS.
WHAT I FOUND SURPRISING WAS
THAT KAMALA HARRIS DIDN'T USE
THE TIME TO PIVOT AND ATTACK
THE RECORD OF AMY CONEY
BARRETT.
THOSE HEARINGS WILL BEGIN NEXT
WEEK.
THERE IS A LOT THAT CERTAINLY
DEMOCRATS AND LIBERALS DISAGREE
WITH ON HER RECORD, AND SHE
DIDN'T DO THAT.
BUT MIKE PENCE DID A GOOD JOB
PROPPING HER UP TONIGHT AND
THROWING IT BACK AT THE
DEMOCRATS.
CBS'S PAULA REID JOINS US FROM
QUARANTINE AFTER POTENTIALLY
BEING EXPOSED TO CORONAVIRUS
WHILE WORKING AT THE WHITE
HOUSE.
YOU FOLLOW THIS CAMPAIGN
CLOSELY.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> THE TRUMP PENCE CAMPAIGN
DOES NOT WANT THIS ELECTION TO
BE A REFERENDUM ON ITS HANDLING
OF COVID.
YOU SAW THAT HERE IN THE DEBATE
FROM THE VERY FIRST QUESTION.
THE VICE PRESIDENT WAS ON THE
DEFENSIVE, TRYING TO PUT THE
ADMINISTRATION'S HANDLING OF
THIS PANDEMIC IN A POSITIVE
LIGHT.
SENATOR HARRIS DESCRIBED IT AS
A HISTORIC FAILURE.
THE VICE PRESIDENT DEFENDED THE
RESPONSE, SAYING THERE IS PUT
THE HEALTH OF AMERICANS FIRST.
HE ALSO MADE A SERIES OF FALSE
STATEMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, SAYING
THE ADMINISTRATION BANNED ALL
TRAVEL FROM CHINA AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC.
THAT IS NOT TRUE.
HE WAS ALSO ASKED ABOUT A
CEREMONY IN THE ROSE GARDEN
SEVERAL DAYS AGO THAT NOW LOOKS
LIKE IT WAS LIKELY A
SUPERSPREADER EVENT.
HE ALSO SAID THAT THAT WAS
MOSTLY AN OUTDOOR EVENT, WHEN
IN FACT, THERE WERE LARGE PARTS
OF IT THAT WERE INDOORS, NO
MASKS, NO SOCIAL DISTANCING.
>> PAULA REID, THANK YOU.
>> I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY
INTERESTING EXCHANGE, BECAUSE I
THOUGHT WE HEARD FOR THE FIRST
TIME WHEN PENCE WAS ASKED TO
EXPLAIN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE
YOU AT THE WHITE HOUSE ARE
FOLLOWING YOUR OWN GUIDELINES,
AND HE SAID WE LEAVE IT UP TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
WE TELL THEM WHAT NEEDS TO BE
DONE AND THEN WE LEAVE IT UP TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO MAKE
THEIR OWN JUDGMENT AND MAKE
THEIR OWN DECISIONS.
EVEN IN THAT MOMENT, I THOUGHT
HE WAS DEFLECTING.
HE NEVER DID ANSWER THE
QUESTION ABOUT YOU AREN'T
FOLLOWING YOUR OWN RULES.
>> IT'S INTERESTING WHAT WE
LEARNED FROM THE QUESTIONS THEY
DIDN'T ANSWER.
KAMALA HARRIS DIDN'T ANSWER A
QUESTION ABOUT COURT PACKING.
SHE ALSO DIDN'T ANSWER ABOUT
WHAT CALIFORNIA SHOULD DO IF
ROE V. WADE GOES AWAY.
MIKE PENCE ALSO DIDN'T ANSWER
THAT QUESTION.
HE DIDN'T ANSWER A QUESTION
ABOUT THE PRESIDENTS HEALTH
RECORDS, AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER
THE QUESTION ABOUT PRE-EXISTING
CONDITIONS.
HE SAID THE PRESIDENT HAS A
HEALTH CARE PLAN.
THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN
ANNOUNCING THAT FOR HIS ENTIRE 3
ADMINISTRATION.
IT IS YET TO ARRIVE.
SO YOU CAN SOMETIMES TELL
SOMETHING ABOUT THE THINGS THEY
DON'T TALK ABOUT.
>> I ALSO WANT TO BRING IN
REINCE PRIEBUS, PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S FIRST CHIEF OF STAFF,
AND VALÉRIE JARRETT, SENIOR
ADVISER TO PRESIDENT BARACK
OBAMA.
VALERIE, LET ME START WITH YOU.
HOW DO YOU THINK SENATOR HARRIS
DID?
>> I THINK SHE WAS VERY
EFFECTIVE, NORAH.
SHE PROSECUTED THE CASE, MAKING
IT CLEAR HOW THE TRUMP PENCE
RECORD ON ISSUES FROM COVID-19
RESPONSE TO THE ECONOMY TO
FOREIGN POLICY TO TRANSPARENCY,
ALL THE WAY FROM HIS HEALTH
RECORDS TO HIS TAXES, I THINK
SHE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF
BOTH PROSECUTING THE CASE,
WHICH SHE IS VERY EFFECTIVE AT,
BUT ALSO STATING AFFIRMATIVELY
WHAT THE BIDEN HARRIS
ADMINISTRATION WOULD DO.
SHE DID IT WITH PASSION.
SHE DID IT WITH HUMANITY.
I THINK SHE WAS PERSONABLE.
SHE WAS VERY COMFORTABLE IN
THAT SPACE, AND SHE KIND OF
OWNED THE ROOM IN THAT SENSE.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED TO SEE VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE NOT FOLLOW THE
RULES AGAIN.
YOU SAY IN DEBATE YOU DON'T
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, BUT I
THINK PEOPLE WERE LISTENING
REALLY CLOSELY TO HIS ANSWERS.
AND HE USED HIS TIME TO EITHER
GO BACK TO PREVIOUS QUESTIONS
OR TO ANSWER THE QUESTION HE
WANTED TO ANSWER.
THAT WAS DISAPPOINTING, BECAUSE
I THINK PEOPLE WANTED TO HEAR
IT.
I DID NOT YELL AT THE
TELEVISION AS MUCH AS I DID
LAST WEEK, SO I THINK MY BLOOD
PRESSURE TONIGHT WAS BETTER.
AND I'M SORRY WE DON'T GET A
2ND ONE.
I WOULD HAVE ENJOYED SEEING THE
2 OF THEM ADDED AGAIN.
I WISH VICE PRESIDENT PENCE HAD
BEEN MORE RESPECTFUL, BOTH TO
THE RULES HE AGREED TO, NOT
INTERRUPTING, ALTHOUGH SHE DID
INTERRUPT WHEN HE DID, AS ONLY
SHE CAN DO.
>> I WANT TO BRING IN REINCE
PRIEBUS, WHO ALSO SERVED AS
REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE
DIRECTOR.
REINCE, I KNOW YOU TALKED TO
REPUBLICAN STRATEGISTS A LOT.
WE HAVE 2 NATIONAL POLLS THAT
SHOW THE BIDEN TICKET LEADING
BY MORE THAN DOUBLE DIGITS.
YOU SEE THE BIDEN TEAM UP BIG
IN PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO IS TIED,
THE BIDEN TICKET UP IN IOWA, IS
THIS A DIFFICULT RACE NOW FOR
REPUBLICANS TO WIN, GIVEN
WHAT'S GOING ON?
>> THANK YOU, NORAH.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY MORE
DIFFICULT THAN IT WAS IN 2016,
BUT LOOK, TONIGHT, AS MUCH AS
YOU CAN GET OUT OF VP DEBATES,
LET'S FACE IT.
ASK LLOYD BENSON HOW IT WENT
FOR HIM BACK IN THE DAY.
BUT I DO YOU THINK THAT IT WAS
PRETTY INTERESTING THAT VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE WENT AFTER A
COUPLE THINGS TO SCORE A FEW
POINTS, TO YOUR POINT, NORAH,
AND I THINK PARTICULARLY IN THE
STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA.
YOU HEARD VICE PRESIDENT PENCE
GOING OFF ABOUT GOING ON THE
ATTACK ON FRACKING, ON THE
GREEN NEW DEAL, AND I THINK
THAT WAS A VERY PURPOSEFUL, FOR
WHATEVER REASON KAMALA HARRIS
WAS ON DEFENSE A LOT MORE THAN
I EXPECTED AS A PROSECUTOR.
SHE IS EVEN ON DEFENSE ON HER
RECORD IN CALIFORNIA, IN
PROSECUTING CASES OF
DISPROPORTIONATELY, AS IT'S
BEEN ALLEGED IN REGARD TO
AFRICAN AMERICANS ON A LOWER
LEVEL DRUG CRIMES.
I THINK THAT IF, YOU KNOW, VP
DEBATES, THE ARE WHAT THEY ARE,
BUT I THINK THAT VICE PRESIDENT
PENCE SCORED SOME POINTS
TONIGHT.
THEY BOTH DID PRETTY WELL.
LET'S FACE IT.
THE REALITY IS IS THAT THERE
WERE SOME POINTS SCORED ON BOTH
SIDES, BUT I THINK VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE WAS STRATEGIC
AND GOING AFTER PENNSYLVANIA
TONIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT HE
DID.
>> WE NOTED THAT HERE AT THE
TABLE.
HE NOT ONLY NAME CHECKED
PENNSYLVANIA, BUT THE REPEATED
REFERENCING OF FRACKING.
>> HE IS RIGHT, WE SAW
STRATEGIC AND FULL DISPLAY.
IT WAS A VERY CIVILIZED DEBATE
RIGHT YOU'VE GOT TO HEAR THE
CONVERSATION, EVEN IF THE
QUESTIONS WERE UNANSWERED AT
TIMES.
YOU GOTTA HEAR A REALLY ROBUST
CONVERSATION.
>> THERE WERE A LOT OF CLAIMS
OF THE CANDIDATES ME TONIGHT,
WE ARE GOING TO CHECK TO THE
FACTS, TO A FACT CHECK WHEN WE
COME BACK.
>> WELCOME BACK TO CBS NEWS
COVERAGE OF THE VICE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE.
I WANT TO BRING IN MAJOR
GARRETT WHO JOINS US NOW WITH
OUR FACT CHECK.
>> HELLO, NORAH.
WE HAVE 3 FLOCK CHECKS.
WHEN DEALING WITH CORONAVIRUS
PROTOCOLS AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
THE 2ND FUTURE OF THE U.S. TAX
CODE, AND THE U.S. ECONOMY.
3RD ON THE TOPIC WE'VE
DISCUSSED, FRACKING.
TAKING THEM IN ORDER, AT ONE
POINT THE VICE PRESIDENT EVENTS
THAT SO CALLED SUPERSPREADER
EVENT FOR AMY CONEY BARRETT
SAID IT WAS AN EDGE OR BIND,
WHICH ALL OF OUR SCIENTISTS
WERE GOING TO ROUTINE ADVISE.
WE READIT PARTIALLY TRUE
BECAUSE THERE IS A SEPARATE
INTERCEPTION INSIDE THE
DIPLOMATIC ROOM.
IN THAT RECEPTION, MUELLER
SUBSEQUENTLY TESTED POSITIVE.
FACT CHECK NUMBER 2, AT ONE
POINT SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS
SAID ON DAY ONE, IF ELECTED,
FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN
WILL GET RID OF THE TRUMP TAX
CUT.
THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE ON DAY ONE.
IT REQUIRE AN ACT OF CONGRESS,
AND IT WOULD PRESUME NOT ONLY
VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WINNING,
BUT DEMOCRATS TAKING CONTROL OF
THE SENATE, AND EVEN THAT WOULD
TAKE CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF
TIME.
WE RATE THAT AS MISLEADING.
3, JUST HAUL IT HYDRAULIC
FRACTURING.
IT IS DESCRIBED AS FRACKING.
WHAT SENATOR HARRIS SAID IS JOE
BIDEN HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR HE
WILL NOT AND FRACKING.
RICK THAT IS INCONCLUSIVE
BECAUSE JULY 31ST, 2019, WHEN
ASKED ABOUT THAT, VICE
PRESIDENT BIDEN LEFT VERY
STRONG IMPRESSION THAT FRACKING
WOULD BE ELIMINATED, AND HE
WOULD SAY THERE BE NO MORE
SUBSIDIES FOR.
HIS POSITION HAS SINCE EVOLVED,
MARCH 2020 HE SAID IN A DEBATE
THAT NO NEW FRACKING WOULD BE
ALLOWED, THEN HE SAID HE IS
OPPOSED TO ENDING FRACKING AT
ALL.
HE HAS AN EVOLVING RECORD ON
THIS QUESTION OF FRACKING.
THE RATE THAT, THEREFORE, AS AN
INCLUSIVE STATEMENT AND
ASSERTION FROM SENATOR HARRIS.
>> MAJOR, THANK YOU.
I'LL ADD ONE TO THAT ON HEALTH
CARE.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE SAID TRUMP
AND I HAVE A PLAN TO IMPROVE
HEALTH CARE, AND TO PROTECT PRE-
EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THEY HAVE BEEN PROMISING THIS
PLAN FOR OVER A YEAR, AND THERE
IS STILL NO PLAN.
THANK YOU.
COMING UP NEXT, WILL THERE BE A
2ND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE NEXT
WEEK?
YOU ARE WATCHING CBS NEWS,
2020, AMERICA DECIDES.
>> WEEKS AWAY FROM A
CONSEQUENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION ALREADY 5 MILLION
AMERICANS HAVE ALREADY VOTED.
WE WITNESSED THE VICE
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE, AND FIRST
AND ONLY.
LET'S TALK ABOUT, CLEARLY, THIS
ELECTION AS A REFERENDUM ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MIKE PENCE,
AND THE RECORD ON CORONAVIRUS
THAT HAS INFECTED THE WHITE
HOUSE, AND LED TO THE
QUARANTINE OF MOST OF THE JOINT
CHIEFS OF STAFF AT THE
PENTAGON.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, AND MIKE PENCE
AND DONALD TRUMP WOULD LIKE
THIS TO BE AN ELECTION ABOUT
THE ECONOMY, AND PREFERABLY THE
RECORD ON THE ECONOMY BEFORE
COVID-19, NOT PREFERABLY, BUT
THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS, THE POLLS
CHANGED AND PEOPLE ARE FOCUSING
ON COVID-19, AND THE PRESIDENT
DOES NOT GET GOOD MARKS.
AFTER THIS DEBATE IS OVER, WE
WILL GO BACK TO THE STORYLINE
WHICH IS THAT THE PRESIDENT
EXHIBIT BEHAVIORS THAT LED TO
SUPERSPREADER EVIDENCE, AND
THAT'S THE CENTRAL STORY, AND
THAT'S NOT THE CENTRAL STORY
THAT THE TRUMP AND PANS
CAMPAIGN WANTS.
>> AND THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT
IT WAS A BLESSING FROM GOD THAT
HE GOT CORONAVIRUS, AND IT'S A
BLESSING IN DISGUISE, SAID NO
ONE EVER, WHO HAD CORONA, AND
WHO HAS RECOVERED FROM IT.
>> OR IS SOMEBODY WHO LOST A
SPOUSE, OR CHILD.
>> AND WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THAT, I
THINK IT IS VERY TRIGGERING AND
PAINFUL.
IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO
SEE WHAT HAPPENS AS THEY MOVE
FORWARD, HOW THEY ARE GOING TO
HANDLE IT.
MANY PEOPLE THOUGHT WHEN HE
WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL, HE
WOULD COME OUT WITH A DIFFERENT
POINT OF VIEW, SAYING I
UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND HOW
HARD THIS IS, WHY THIS IS SO
PAINFUL, AND THAT MAYBE THERE
WOULD BE A DIFFERENT TACTIC,
CERTAINLY WITH WEARING A MASK.
WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT.
>> IN THE 2016 PRESIDENT TRUMP
WON THE SENIOR VOTE BY ABOUT 7
POINTS.
WE HAVE NOW SEEN THAT JOE BIDEN
IS WINNING THE SENIOR VOTE BY
20 POINTS, ACCORDING TO SOME OF
THESE POLLS.
A LOT HAS CHANGED, IT'S NOT
ONLY THE RECORD ON COROAVIRUS,
BUT ALSO HEALTH CARE AND OTHER
ISSUES IN THE ECONOMY CHANGING.
THERE'S A LOT STILL MORE TO
COME IN, US AND WE WILL
CONTINUE TO COVER IT HERE ON
CBS.
>> IS THERE A HIGHLIGHT?
I STILL KEEP GOING BACK TO THAT
FLY.
YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE, THAT IT WAS A
FLIGHT OF COLOR THAT CAME AT A
VERY OPPORTUNE TIME, AND THAT
IS A SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE SKID
WAITING TO HAPPEN ON SATURDAY.
>> THAT FLY.
>> CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT.
>> YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST FROM
GAYLE KING.
OUR COVERAGE WILL CONTINUE
UNDER 24 HOURS TO ME NETWORK,
CBSN.
THERE WILL BE MORE ON YOUR
LOCAL NEWS OF THIS CBSA SHUN,
AND TOMORROW ON CBS THIS
MORNING, WE WILL BE WATCHING.
I'M NORAH DONNELLY, CBS NEWS
WASHINGTON.
Captioning spons
HI EVERYONE.
I'M ELAINE QUIJANO.
IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR OUR
SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE FIRST
AND ONLY 2020 VICE PRESIDENTIAL
DEBATE.
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE AND
SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS FACED OFF
IN SALT LAKE CITY.
THE DECIBEL LEVEL WAS NOTABLY
LOWER THAN DURING LAST WEEK'S
DEBATE, BUT THE LINES OF ATTACK
UNMISTAKABLY WERE POINTED AT
TIMES.
MODERATOR SUSAN PAGE'S FIRST
QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE
PANDEMIC.
THE CANDIDATES SPAR ON THE
CURRENT RESPONSE, THE BEST PATH
FORWARD FOR THE COUNTRY, AND
THE POTENTIAL OF A VACCINE.
ON THAT NOTE, SENATOR HARRIS
SAID SHE WOULD NOT TAKE ONE IF
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID TO, ONLY
OF PUBLIC HEALTH EXPERTS
ENDORSED IT.
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE ACCUSED
HER OF UNDERMINING PUBLIC
CONFIDENCE IN A VACCINE, AND
PLAYING POLITICS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP'S OWN COVID-19
DIAGNOSIS LOOMED OVER THE
EVENT.
HE'S CURRENTLY RECOVERING AT
THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER A 3 DAY
STAY AT WALTER REED MEDICAL
CENTER.
BOTH CANDIDATES WERE ASKED IF
THEY'VE DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF
PRESIDENTIAL DISABILITY WITH
THEIR RUNNING MATES.
NEITHER PENCE NOR HARRIS FULLY
ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
AS A REMINDER, PRESIDENT TRUMP
WILL BE 74 YEARS OLD ON
INAUGURATION DAY.
JOE BIDEN WILL BE 78 YEARS OLD.
THAT MEANS WHOEVER WINS 2020
WILL SEE THE OLDEST PRESIDENT
IN U.S. HISTORY EVER ELECTED.
FOR MORE, I'M JOINED BY CAITLIN
HUEY-BURNS, ED O'KEEFE, AND
MAJOR GARRETT.
CAITLIN IS A CBSN POLITICAL
REPORTER AND JOINS US FROM SALT
LAKE CITY.
ED IS OUR CBS NEWS POLITICAL
CORRESPONDENT.
MAJOR IS CBS NEWS CHIEF
WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT.
AND MAJOR ARE BOTH IN
WASHINGTON.
WONDERFUL TO HAVE ALL OF YOU.
CAITLIN, LET'S BEGIN WITH YOU.
GOING INTO THE EVENING, IN THE
WAKE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S COVID
19 DIAGNOSIS, THIS DEBATE TOOK
ON EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANCE THAN
IN YEARS PAST.
WHAT WAS THE GOAL FOR EACH
CAMPAIGN TONIGHT.
>> THE TRADITIONAL ROLE FOR A
VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE,
FOR A RUNNING MATE, IS TO DO NO
HARM.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT MIKE
PENCE, THE CURRENT VICE
PRESIDENT, HE WAS TRYING TO
KIND OF UNDO SOME OF THE HARM
THAT DONALD TRUMP DID IN THE
PAST DEBATE.
WE SAW KIND OF THE REVIEWS FOR
THAT, AND I THINK MIKE PENCE'S
STRATEGY COMING INTO TONIGHT
WAS TO REACH OUT TO DISAFFECTED
REPUBLICAN VOTERS, THOSE WHO
HAVE BEEN FALLING AWAY FROM THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
HE TRIED TO TALK TO THEM ON
MESSAGES OF THE ECONOMY, TRYING
TO NOT TALK ABOUT CORONAVIRUS,
BUT RATHER TRY TO PAINT KAMALA
HARRIS AS A FIGURE OF THE FAR
LEFT.
YOU SAW HIM TRY TO CONNECT HER
TO AOC.
HE PRESSED HER ON WHETHER SHE
WOULD SUPPORT THE EXPANSION OF
SEATS ON THE SUPREME COURT,
PRESSED HER ON THE GREEN NEW
DEAL, HER SUPPORT FOR THAT, AND
HE WAS TRYING TO DO WHAT
REPUBLICANS AND DONALD TRUMP
HAVE REALLY BEEN UNABLE TO DO
EFFECTIVELY SO FAR, WHICH IS TO
PAINT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN AS
FIGURES OF THE FAR LEFT.
KAMALA HARRIS CAME INTO TONIGHT
ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WOULD BE
THE STRATEGY, AND YOU SAW HER
NOT ENGAGE ON THOSE QUESTIONS
ABOUT THE GREEN NEW DEAL.
YOU SAW HER NOT ANSWER THE
QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER SHE
WOULD EXPAND SEATS ON THE
SUPREME COURT.
INSTEAD, HER ROLE IN THIS
CAMPAIGN, IN THIS PERFORMANCE
TONIGHT, WAS TO KEEP THE FOCUS
ON MIKE PENCE AND THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION'S HANDLING OF
CORONAVIRUS.
AND THAT, AS WE'VE SEEN IN
POLLING, IN THESE KEY
BATTLEGROUND STATES, SHOW THAT
VOTERS ARE GIVING THE PRESIDENT
NEGATIVE GRADES ON THE
CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC, AND THAT
IS CONTRIBUTING TO HIM LEGGING
BEHIND JOE BIDEN IN SOME OF
THESE KEY STATES.
SO WHETHER THIS MOVES THE
NEEDLE WILL REMAIN TO BE SEEN.
WE HAVE SEEN, HOWEVER, THAT
THIS RACE, AS CHAOTIC AS THIS
YEAR HAS BEEN, TO SAY THE
LEAST, THIS RACE HAS REMAINED
RELATIVELY STABLE.
>> MAJOR, ON THE CORONAVIRUS
PANDEMIC, SENATOR HARRIS WAS
ASKED ABOUT WHAT A BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION WOULD DO
IMMEDIATELY UPON TAKING OFFICE
TO TACKLE THE PANDEMIC.
AND SHE TALKED ABOUT A NATIONAL
STRATEGY FOR CONTACT TRACING,
FOR TESTING, FOR ADMINISTRATION
OF A VACCINE, MAKING SURE THAT
IT WOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE.
I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PLAY
SOME OF THE BACK AND FORTH
BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES,
STARTING WITH THE VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE'S RESPONSE TO
SENATOR HARRIS'S ANSWER.
LET'S LISTEN TO THAT.
>> THE REALITY, IS WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE BIDEN PLAN, IT
READS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE WHAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I AND THE
TASK FORCE HAVE BEEN DOING
EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN I LOOK AT
THEIR PLAN, THAT TALKS ABOUT
ADVANCING TESTING, CREATING
MORE PPE, DEVELOPING A VACCINE,
IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT LIKE
PLAGIARISM.
THAT IS SOMETHING JOE BIDEN
KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT.
>> IF YOU RESPECT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE, YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO
BE A LEADER, SPEAKING OF THOSE
THINGS THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT
PEOPLE TO HEAR, BUT THEY NEED
TO, HERE SO THAT THEY CAN
PROTECT THEMSELVES.
BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION STOOD
ON INFORMATION THAT, IF YOU HAD
AS A PARENT, IF YOU HAD AS A
WORKER, KNOWING YOU DIDN'T HAVE
ENOUGH MONEY SAVED, UP AND NOW
YOU ARE STANDING IN A FOOD
LINE, BECAUSE OF THE INEPTITUDE
OF AN ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS
UNWILLING TO SPEAK THE TRUTH TO
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT CARING FOR
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO
SACRIFICE FAR TOO MUCH BECAUSE
OF THE INCOMPETENCE OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
>> MAJOR, WHAT DID YOU TAKE
AWAY FROM THAT EXCHANGE?
>> CLEARLY, THE VICE PRESIDENT
HAD A LINE READY, ABOUT
PLAGIARISM, AND SENATOR HARRIS
HAD A LINE READY ABOUT WHAT THE
PRESIDENT TOLD AND CONFIDENCE
TO BOB WOODWARD EARLY ON IN THE
CORONAVIRUS.
AND THE QUESTION FOR THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC, IS WHAT IS
MORE RELATIVE TO RIGHT NOW?
WHETHER OR NOT JOE BIDEN
RUNNING IN 87 QUOTED NEIL KING
TOOK TOO MUCH AND CALLED IT HIS
OWN WORDS, THE UNDERLINED
PLAGIARISM, WELL KNOWN AMONG
REPUBLICANS.
IT GETS CONSERVATIVE VOTERS
FIRED UP.
WHERE THE PRESIDENT TELLING BOB
WOODWARD HE KNEW CORONAVIRUS
WAS EASILY TRANSMITTABLE AND
LETHAL, BUT DIDN'T TELL THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC THAT.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT
EXCHANGE WAS ABOUT.
WHAT'S MORE RELEVANT AND WHY,
AND WHAT'S MORE TIMELY AND WHY?
AND TO JOHN DICKERSON'S EARLIER
POINT ON OUR SPECIAL REPORT
COVERAGE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT
THE OPTICS OF THE DEBATE STAGE
ITSELF.
THERE ARE PLEXIGLASS BARRIERS
THERE FOR A REASON, BECAUSE THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
IS NOW A COVID-19 SUFFERER.
AND THAT SPEAKS TO PROTOCOLS,
LOOSELY APPLIED PROTOCOLS, ON
THE WHITE HOUSE GROUNDS, AND
THAT THE VIRUS IS STILL NOT
ONLY WITH US, BUT CAN PENETRATE
ONE OF THE SAFEST WORKPLACES IN
AMERICA, THE WHITE HOUSE
ITSELF.
IT INFECTED THE PRESIDENT, THE
WORK — AND ONGOING AND DRAMA,
BOTH MEDICALLY, SCIENTIFICALLY,
AND ECONOMICALLY.
AND ALL OF THAT IS POURED INTO
THOSE 2 RESPONSES.
>> RIGHT, THOSE DIVIDERS, THOSE
PLEXIGLASS DIVIDERS REALLY WERE
SUCH A STARK REMINDER OF THE
SITUATION WE ARE ALL LIVING
WITH.
AND, LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT, AND
ADDITIONAL ASPECT OF THE COVID-
19 PANDEMIC, AND THAT IS THE
ECONOMY.
WE HEARD SOME BACK AND FORTH AS
WELL FROM THE CANDIDATES ON
THIS ISSUE OF TRYING TO GET THE
ECONOMY BACK ON TRACK.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLAY IN
EXCHANGE, STARTING WITH SENATOR
HARRIS.
>> JOE BIDEN BELIEVES YOU
MEASURE THE HEALTH AND STRENGTH
OF AMERICA'S ECONOMY BASED ON
THE HEALTH AND THE STRENGTH OF
THE AMERICAN WORKER, AND THE
AMERICAN FAMILY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE
DONALD TRUMP, WHO MEASURES THE
STRENGTH OF THE ECONOMY BASED
ON HOW RICH PEOPLE AND UP,
WHICH IS WHY HE PASSED A TAX
BILL BENEFITING THE TOP 1% AND
THE BIGGEST CORPORATIONS OF
AMERICA, LEADING TO A 2
TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT THAT
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOW HAVE TO
PAY FOR.
>> WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I
TOOK OFFICE, AMERICA HAD GONE
THROUGH THE SLOWEST ECONOMIC
RECOVERY SINCE THE GREAT
DEPRESSION.
SINCE JOE BIDEN WAS VICE
PRESIDENT, THEY'VE TRIED TO
BAIL OUR WAY BACK TO A GROWING
ECONOMY.
PRESIDENT TRUMP CUT TAXES
ACROSS THE BOARD.
DESPITE WHAT SENATOR HARRIS
SAYS, THE AVERAGE AMERICAN
FAMILY OF FOREHEAD $2,000 IN
SAVINGS AND TAXES.
AND WITH THE RISING WAGES THAT
OCCURRED, MOST PREDOMINANTLY
FOR BLUE-COLLAR, HARDWORKING
AMERICANS, THE AVERAGE
HOUSEHOLD INCOME FOR A FAMILY
OF 4 INCREASED BY $4,000
FOLLOWING PRESIDENT TRUMP'S TAX
CUTS.
>> AND, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED
ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST HERE ON
CBSN, BUT HOW BIG OF A
VULNERABILITY FOR THE BIDEN
TICKET IS THIS ISSUE OF THE
ECONOMY?
>> IT REMAINS A BIG ONE, AND
IT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY
YOU'VE SEEN THEM ADVERTISING
ABOUT IT, WHY BIDEN HAS TRIED
TALKING ABOUT IT, AND THEY BOTH
KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING,
THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE
PRESIDENT CONTINUES TO LEAD ON,
DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE IS
SLIDING BEHIND THE DEMOCRATIC
TICKET NOW IN POLLING.
SO YOU SAW THERE, KIND OF A
CLASSIC BEFORE TIMES, IF YOU
WILL, ARGUMENT OVER CLASSIC
REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC
ECONOMIC POLICY.
THEY'RE GOING TO TAXI MORE THAN
WE HAVE.
WE'VE GIVEN YOU BETTER WAGE
GROWTH.
THOSE TAXES ONLY BENEFITED THE
WEALTHY.
WE WILL TRY TO CORRECT THAT.
THAT WAS A PRETTY STANDARD
EXCHANGE THERE OVER WHAT HAS
BEEN AN ISSUE, IF NOT NUMBER
ONE, A TOP 3 ISSUE FOR SO MANY
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN
THOUGH THEY ARE TRAILING ON
THAT, DEMOCRATS KNOW THAT THEY
ARE DOING OKAY OTHERWISE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU CONTINUE TO
GET THIS NOUN VERB PANDEMIC
ROUTINE FROM BIDEN AND HARRIS,
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THAT'S
NOW AN EVEN MORE TOP OF MIND
CONCERN TO SO MANY, WHEN EVEN
THE PRESIDENT IS INFECTED WITH
IT AND SOMETHING HAS WORKED FOR
THEM THROUGHOUT.
PASSING ALONG SOMETHING HERE,
THERE WAS, FIRST OF, ALL I LOVE
THE FACT THAT NONE OF US ARE
INTERRUPTING EACH OTHER, UNLIKE
WHAT WE SAW THERE FOR 90
MINUTES, AND ELAINE, I BET YOU
HAVING BEEN IN THAT CHAIR
BEFORE MIGHT BE HAVING SOME
PTSD TONIGHT, RELIVING A LITTLE
BIT OF WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH.
BUT HEARD FROM A SENIOR BIDEN
AIDE REGARDING THESE SENATORS
DEBATE PERFORMANCE TONIGHT, AND
ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT THEY
WERE ASKED ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHY
WASN'T HARRIS GIVING IT BACK TO
PENCE MORE AS HE INTERRUPTS,
AND BY THE, WAY THE CBS NEWS
TALLY SHOWS THAT HE INTERRUPTED
THE SENATOR MORE THAN SHE
INTERRUPTED HIM, THIS AID WHO
WAS INVOLVED IN DEBATE PREP SAY
THEY THINK SHE DID GREAT
DELIVERY OF HER HITS.
A GOOD DEBATE PERFORMANCE IS A
MIX OF HITTING HARD AND SELLING
POSITIVE.
UNRELENTING NEGATIVE IS NOT A
GOAL.
THE SENATOR DELIVERED
EVERYTHING WE WANT AND MORE,
PLUS, THE VICE PRESIDENT
TALKING OVER HER PUSHED AWAY
ANY CHANCE OF GETTING WOMEN
BACK TO THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.
THAT IS A FAIR POINT.
THEY ARE SLIPPING PRECIPITOUSLY
IN THE GENDER GAP,
SPECIFICALLY.
WOMEN NOW, POLL AFTER POLL AND
BATTLEGROUNDS AND NATIONALLY
FAVOR THE BIDEN HARRIS TICKET.
AND IT'S LIKELY, GIVEN THE
PERFORMANCE FROM THE VICE
PRESIDENT TONIGHT, THAT THEY
DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO HELP
THEMSELVES IN THAT REGARD.
>> LET'S FOLLOW UP HERE WITH
CAITLIN.
ON THIS NOTION OF THE
INTERRUPTIONS, LOOKING DOWN I
SEE THAT APPARENTLY VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE SPOKE ABOUT 3
MINUTES MORE THAN SENATOR
HARRIS, 38 MINUTES AND 2
SECONDS TO 35 MINUTES AND 20
SECONDS, AND YET, BY THE WAY,
ED, YOU ARE CORRECT, A BIT OF
FLASHBACK GOING ON SEEING THAT.
SITTING IN A MODERATORS CHAIR,
THERE ARE LIMITED TOOLS
AVAILABLE IF SOMEONE IS INTENT
ON GOING OVER THEIR TIME.
LET ME ASK, YOU KAITLAN, ON THE
ISSUE THAT HAD BRINGS UP,
HEARING FROM THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN
ON THIS NOTION OF WOMEN
ESPECIALLY BEING, PERHAPS, NOT
AT ALL PLEASED BY WHAT THEY SAW
WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THESE
INTERRUPTIONS, I WAS SEEING ON
SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL COMMENTARY
ABOUT THAT, AND SOME JOKING
ABOUT THE FAMILIARITY OF THAT
FEELING OF BEING INTERRUPTED BY
A MAN.
CAITLIN, WHAT ABOUT THAT?
HOW MUCH HAS THAT GROUP, WOMEN,
SUBURBAN WOMEN PARTICULARLY,
HOW CRITICAL A GROUP IS THAT
NOW IN 2020?
>> IT'S EXTREMELY CRITICAL.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE
POLLING, THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IS
REALLY HEMORRHAGING WOMEN
VOTERS TO JOE BIDEN.
AND THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN OFTEN
TALKS ABOUT COMPARING POLLS
FROM 2016 TO NOW.
AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THEIR
ARGUMENTS WHEN WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT POLLS.
THEY SAY YOU WERE WRONG IN
2016.
WHAT THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT,
WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE TO TALK
ABOUT, IS THAT 2018 MIDTERM
ELECTION, WHERE WE SAW WOMEN,
PARTICULARLY IN THE SUBURBS,
LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY EN
MASSE, AND SUPPORT THE
DEMOCRATS.
AND THAT HELPED THEM WIN BACK
THE HOUSE MAJORITY.
WE WILL SEE IF IT'S DIFFERENT
IN A PRESIDENTIAL, RACE OF
COURSE, BUT WHAT WE SEE IN THE
DATA SO FAR IS THAT WOMEN ARE
SAYING THAT THEY DON'T LIKE THE
PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR, AND THEY
ARE INCLINED NOT TO SUPPORT HIM
BECAUSE OF IT.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK YOU SAW
MIKE PENCE TRYING TO KIND OF
CLEAN THAT UP, WHAT THE
PRESIDENT DID IN THE DEBATE
LAST WEEK, CONSTANTLY
INTERRUPTING.
I THINK MIKE PENCE WAS TRYING
TO PUT A ROSIER SPIN ON THINGS,
ALTHOUGH HE STILL INTERRUPTED
KAMALA HARRIS.
AND I SHOULD SAY THAT FOR WOMEN
CANDIDATES, THIS IS A DIFFICULT
THING THAT THEY HAVE TO
NAVIGATE AND THINK ABOUT, HOW
TO RESPOND.
THERE'S THE QUESTION OF WHETHER
A WOMAN COULD HAVE SAID WHAT
JOE BIDEN SAID ON THE DEBATE
STAGE LAST WEEK, WHEN HE CALLED
THE PRESIDENT A CLOWN AND TOLD
HIM TO SHUT UP.
IN THE PREPARATIONS FOR THIS
DEBATE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS
ARE ON THE MINDS OF THE WOMEN
CANDIDATES.
BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE
QUESTION OF WHETHER THE TICKET
DID ANYTHING TO ADVANCE THEIR
SUPPORT, TO GROW THEIR SUPPORT,
THAT THEY DESPERATELY NEED
AMONG WOMEN VOTERS, WHO ARE NOT
A MONOLITHIC GROUP, OF COURSE,
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY
NEED TO DO AND MAKE UP GROUND,
AND PEOPLE ARE ALREADY VOTING.
WE SHOULD NOTE THAT OVER 4
MILLION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY
VOTED EARLY SO FAR.
>> MAJOR, LET ME TURN TO YOU ON
THIS TOPIC AS WELL.
OPTICS ARE VERY MUCH PART OF
HOW IT IS THAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE EVALUATE CANDIDATES, AND
THE FACT IS, KAMALA HARRIS AS A
WOMAN OF COLOR.
SHE'S ONLY THE 4TH WOMAN EVER
TO PARTICIPATE AS A VICE
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN THAT
KIND OF FORUM.
SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH
RESPECT TO TACTICS AND
APPROACH?
DOES THAT MATTER, ESPECIALLY
NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THE EVENTS
OF 2020, WHERE THERE HAS BEEN
MUCH REFLECTION ACROSS THE
COUNTRY ABOUT RACIAL INJUSTICE,
RACIAL INEQUALITY, RACIAL
QUESTIONS THAT HAD NOT RECEIVED
THE SAME LEVEL OF SCRUTINY AND
INTENSITY OF SCRUTINY THAT THEY
HAVE IN YEARS PAST, DEFINITELY
A DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERE.
>> THERE IS A VERY DIFFERENT
ATMOSPHERE.
THERE IS A LOT TO GET TO THERE,
ELAINE.
I WILL TRY TO GET TO AS MANY AS
POSSIBLE.
THERE IS SOMETHING VERY
STYLISTICALLY IMPORTANT, AND
JUST BECAUSE IT'S STYLISTIC,
DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T HAVE
WEIGHT.
I THINK THIS WILL.
BACK ME UP ON THIS CAITLIN
LANE, I'M SURE YOU HEARD IT AS
WELL.
WHEN SHE WAS BEING INTERRUPTED,
SENATOR HARRIS DID NOT LOOK AT
THE VICE PRESIDENT AND SAY
DON'T INTERRUPT ME.
WHAT DID SHE SAY?
I'M SPEAKING NOW.
I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT
STYLISTIC DIFFERENCE.
SHE'S NOT GIVING THE VICE
PRESIDENT AND ORDER, STOP
INTERRUPTING ME.
SHE IS ASSERTING I AM SPEAKING
NOW.
AND I THINK MANY AMERICAN WOMEN
HEARD THAT AND SAID, I KNOW
THAT FEELS LIKE.
I KNOW WHAT THAT IS IN THAT
MOMENT.
I'M SPEAKING, AND I SHOULD BE
ALLOWED TO SPEAK.
THAT, IN ITSELF,IF YOU WILL
ALLOW ME TO SAY SOMETHING
THAT'S PATENTLY OBVIOUS, BUT I
THINK IS STRUCTURALLY
IMPORTANT, IS VOICE.
LET ME HAVE MY VOICE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS, IF NOT AN
OVER, CERTAINLY A SUBLIMINAL
MESSAGE TO WOMEN IN THE
AUDIENCE.
SO THE POINT YOU RAISED ABOUT
THE HISTORIC NATURE OF SENATOR
HARRIS'S VICE PRESIDENTIAL
NOMINATION.
HAVING COVERED THE OBAMA
CAMPAIGN IN 2007 AND 2008, I
REMEMBER HOW MICHELLE OBAMA WAS
FREQUENTLY AND VICIOUSLY
PORTRAYED AS AN ANGRY BLACK
WOMAN.
THAT ANGRY BLACK WOMAN,
SOMETHING DISCONCERTING, OR
POTENTIALLY EVEN DANGEROUS
ABOUT THAT IN AMERICAN
POLITICAL LIFE.
IT'S AN ATMOSPHERE AROUND
SENATOR HARRIS AND HOW TO
COMPORT HERSELF ON THIS VERY,
VERY BIG STAGE, THE BIGGEST AGE
SHE WILL HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND
ELECTION DAY.
YOU COULD SEE THERE WERE
EFFORTS ON HER PARTS TO HOLD
HER GROUND, BUT NOT BE PLACED
IN A POSITION WHERE SHE COULD
BE ACCUSED OR PORTRAYED AS SOME
KIND OF ANGRY BLACK WOMAN WHO
COULD NOT CONTROL THE
ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH SHE WAS
OPERATING.
LAST POINT I WILL MAKE ON THIS,
I THOUGHT THERE WERE ELEMENTS
RELATED TO THIS CONVERSATION
THE COUNTRIES HAVING ABOUT
SOCIAL JUSTICE, CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM, IN WHICH SHE
WAS FAR MORE SPECIFIC AND
FORMER ASSERTIVE THAN SHE WAS
IN SOME AREAS OF THE DEBATE.
THAT'S WHERE SHE CLEARLY FEELS
COMFORTABLE AS A FORMER
PROSECUTOR, AND FEELS A LITTLE
MORE CAPABLE OF ASSERTING WHAT
A BIDEN HARRIS TICKET WOULD DO,
IF ELECTED ON THESE MATTERS.
THERE WAS A LOT TO GET TO.
I HOPE I DID THEM JUSTICE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AND I WANT TO GET YOU IN ON
THIS AS WELL, ADD.
THE PROSECUTORIAL BACKGROUND OF
SENATOR HARRIS'S IS SOMETHING
MANY VOTERS POINTED TO, FOR
EXAMPLE, LOOKING AT THE BRETT
KAVANAUGH HEARINGS, THE WAY SHE
VERY FORCEFULLY ASKED THOSE
QUESTIONS OF THE NOMINEE.
BUT THIS WAS A DIFFERENT FORUM.
I HAD HEARD SOME DEMOCRATS SAY
THAT IT'S ONE THING TO SORT OF
GIVE A PUNCH, BUT IT'S ANOTHER
TO TAKE IT.
I WONDER WHAT YOU'VE BEEN
HEARING FROM DEMOCRATIC
OFFICIALS PRIVATELY, IF THERE
HAD BEEN SOME CONCERN OR SOME
QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW, IN FACT,
BEING A WOMAN OF COLOR,
UNDERSTANDING, AS MAJOR POINTED
OUT, THE VERY DIFFICULT NATURE
OF TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE
POLITICS AS A WOMAN OF COLOR.
WAS THERE SOME DISCUSSION OR
CONCERN ON THE PART OF SOME
DEMOCRATIC OFFICIALS THAT IT
WOULD BE A DIFFICULT LINE TO
WALK FOR SENATOR HARRIS?
>> I THINK AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT
WHAT I JUST READ YOU THERE FROM
THE SENIOR BIDEN AIDE WHO WAS
WORKING ON THIS, IT WASN'T JUST
THAT THEY WANTED HER TO BE ABLE
TO BE PROSECUTORIAL, BUT TO
SELL A POSITIVE.
YOU SAW HER SEVERAL TIMES REFER
BACK TO THE RUNNING MATE AND
TALK ABOUT BIDEN INSTEAD.
THAT'S WHAT A RUNNING MATE IS
SUPPOSED TO DO.
THEY MAKE THE PITCH DIRECTLY,
MUCH LIKE BIDEN DID LAST, WEEK
DIRECTLY TO THE CAMERA, 4TH
WALLET AND LOOK INTO THE
TELEVISION SET AND SAY I KNOW
YOU ARE WATCHING, BUT LET ME
JUST TALK TO YOU.
THAT WORKED EFFECTIVELY FOR
BIDEN LAST WEEK, AND SHE DID IT
IS WELL.
AND CALIFORNIA POLITICS, YOU
ONLY REACH PEOPLE THROUGH TV
ADVERTISING OR TELEVISED
DEBATES AND SHE IS PRETTY GOOD
AT THEM.
THAT SHOWED TONIGHT.
SHE CAN DELIVER HER LINES,
ATTACK WHEN NEEDED, AND SORT OF
TAKE THE INCOMING FROM THE VICE
PRESIDENT, BUT DO IT IN A WAY
THAT DIDN'T COME ACROSS AS
ANGRY.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE KNOW THEY
ARE TRAINING THE FORMER VICE
PRESIDENT ON, AND THEY CLEARLY
DID IT WITH HER AS WELL, KEEP
YUR COOL, KEEP THE TEMPERATURE
DOWN, DON'T LET THEM GET UNDER
YOUR SKIN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT
THEY ARE TRYING TO DO, TO TRY
TO GET YOU OFF-CENTRE, TO HAVE
YOU LOSE YOUR COOL, BIDEN
DIDN'T DO IT LAST WEEK.
SHE DIDN'T DO IT TONIGHT.
AND WE SHOULD MARK THIS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN
ENOUGH SAID ABOUT IT IN THE
LEAD UP, WITH ALL THE OTHER
THINGS GOING ON, AND BECAUSE
SHE'S THE 3RD WOMAN TO APPEAR
ON A DEBATE STAGE, BUT THE
FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN.
THIS IS A BIG HISTORIC MOMENT.
WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS BEFORE.
IT SHOULDN'T GO ON MENTIONED.
IT SHOULDN'T GO, WE SHOULD
ACKNOWLEDGE IT TO SOME EXTENT
AND CELEBRATE IT.
THIS IS ANOTHER ACHIEVEMENT,
AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN
THE NEXT 27 DAYS.
BUT IF ANYTHING, THIS MOMENT
HAS HAPPENED, AND IT'S AN
IMPORTANT ONE.
TO MAJOR'S POINT AS WELL,
CAITLIN, I KNOW YOU ALSO DWELL
ON THIS WHEN IT HAPPENS.
NEITHER OF THESE 2 CANDIDATES
REALLY ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS
TONIGHT, ON A VERY IMPORTANT
ONE, HAVE YOU HAD THE
DISCUSSION WITH THE NUMBER ONE
ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL DISABILITY
AND POTENTIAL SUCCESSION, ON
QUESTIONS OF CLIMATE CHANGE,
ABORTION, WHETHER YOU WOULD
EXPAND THE SUPREME COURT, AND
OTHER ISSUES.
THERE WERE SOME OTHER TOPICS,
THAT ONCE AGAIN, FOR THE 2ND
DEBATE IN A, ROW WERE
DISCUSSED.
THERE'S BEEN SOME REVELATIONS
ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION, THOSE
HAVE ALSO NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY OTHER
CONCERNS, MORE SPECIFICALLY,
WITH THE ECONOMY AND THE
POTENTIAL ECONOMIC REBOUND.
THE FACT THAT THERE ISN'T A
STIMULUS DEAL BEING PUT
TOGETHER IN WASHINGTON, AND
WHAT FAULT IS THE
ADMINISTRATION BEAR FOR, THAT
WHAT WOULD A BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION DO, IF ONE
HASN'T BEEN CUT BY THE TIME
THEY TAKE OFFICE, IF THEY TAKE
OFFICE.
HOPEFULLY, THOSE ARE AREAS THAT
WILL BE EXPLORED IN THE COMING
ONES.
BUT LAST, WEEK WE GOT SO
DISTRACTED BY THE NOISE AND
INTERRUPTION.
TONIGHT, JUST IN THE WAY THAT
THEY BOTH DEBATE, IT WAS SO
MUCH MORE EVIDENT THAT THEY
WERE DOING WHATEVER THEY WANTED
TO DO TO AVOID THE DIRECT
QUESTION.
AND I THINK, ESPECIALLY ON THE
QUESTIONS OF HAVE YOU HAD THE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHEN OR IF
YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OVER,
NOT HAVING THOSE ANSWERS
TONIGHT, ESPECIALLY IN THE CASE
OF THE CURRENT VICE PRESIDENT,
IS TELLING, BECAUSE THERE ARE A
LOT OF PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT,
THAT AND TO SEE A 74-YEAR-OLD
RUNNING AGAINST THE 77-YEAR-OLD
AND WONDER, SHOULD WE BE HAVING
A MORE SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT
THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SOME VERY
OLD PEOPLE RUNNING THIS
COUNTRY.
>> CAITLIN, GO AHEAD.
>> BOTH OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE
WELL TRAINED IN MEDIA, AND THEY
BORROWED FROM A TECHNIQUE THAT
WE ALL USE, WHICH IS ANSWERED
THE QUESTION THAT YOU WANT
ANSWERED.
DON'T ANSWER ANYTHING YOU DON'T
WANT.
TO PIVOT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAW FROM
THEM, BECAUSE WE ARE
TWENTYSOMETHING DAYS AWAY FROM
AN ELECTION DAY, EVEN THOUGH
PEOPLE ARE ALREADY VOTING, AND
THESE 2 CANDIDATES MADE CLEAR
THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO GIVE
THE OTHER SIDE ANY ROOM TO KIND
OF TAKE THAT INCH.
BUT IT IS VERY NOTABLE THAT
MANY OF THESE QUESTIONS WERE
NOT ANSWERED BY THE CANDIDATES.
AND IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW
MUCH THE PANDEMIC IS QUITE
LITERALLY FRONT AND CENTER OF
THIS CAMPAIGN, MADE CLEAR OF
COURSE BY THE PLEXIGLASS, BUT
ALSO SOMETHING WE'VE REALLY
SEEN SHAPING THE COURSE OF THIS
RACE.
>> AND I ALSO WANT TO, THE
CONTROL ROOM, PLAY SOUGHT
NUMBER 26 HERE MOMENTARILY FOR
OUR VIEWERS, BECAUSE ONE OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT HAS BEEN
CERTAINLY A LOT OF FOLKS ON
SOCIAL MEDIA INTERESTING IS THE
QUESTION OF ACCEPTING A
TRANSFER OF POWER, WITH THE
ELECTION RESULTS.
IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PLAY
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE.
LET'S PLAY THAT FOR OUR
VIEWERS.
>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
ACCEPTING THE OUTCOME OF THE
ELECTION, I MUST TELL YOU,
SENATOR, YOUR PARTY SPENT THE
LAST 3 AND A HALF YEARS TRYING
TO OVERTURN THE RESULTS OF THE
LAST ELECTION.
IT'S AMAZING.
WHEN JOE BIDEN WAS VICE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
THE FBI ACTUALLY SPIED ON
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MY
CAMPAIGN.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO WIN
THIS ELECTION.
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I ARE
FIGHTING EVERY DAY IN COURT
HOUSES TO PRESENT JOE BIDEN AND
KAMALA HARRIS FROM CHANGING THE
RULES AND CREATE UNIVERSAL MAIL-
IN VOTING THAT WILL MAKE A
MASSIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR VOTER
FRAUD.
WE HAVE A FREE AND FAIR
ELECTION, AND WE HAVE
CONFIDENCE IN IT.
I BELIEVE IN ALL MY HEART THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL BE
REELECTED FOR 4 MORE YEARS.
>> MAJOR, I WILL GIVE YOU THE
LAST WORD HERE AS WE CLOSE OUT
THE NIGHT.
WHAT WAS THE MESSAGE SENT IN
THE ANSWER THAT WE HEARD FROM
VICE PRESIDENT PENCE THERE?
>> THE VICE PRESIDENT TRIED TO
TURN THIS WHOLE QUESTION OF THE
PRESIDENT'S AMBIVALENCE ABOUT A
PEACEFUL TRANSFER OF POWER, THE
FIRST EVER UTTERED BY A SITTING
U.S. PRESIDENT, INTO YOU
TONIGHT AS A PEACEFUL
TRANSITION WITH THE FBI
INVESTIGATION.
THAT WILL BE LITIGATED, NOT
ONLY IN CONSERVATIVE MEDIA,
LIBERAL MEDIA, MAINSTREAM
MEDIA, AS PART OF THIS
CAMPAIGN, AND THERE'S AN
ONGOING INVESTIGATION IN THERE
AND REVELATIONS THAT BOTH SIDES
POINT TO JUSTIFY THEIR VARIOUS
ASSERTIONS.
ON THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR
NOT INCREASED MAIL IN BALLOTING
IS A PATHWAY TO RAMPANT FRAUD,
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR.
IT IS NOT.
AND THE CONTINUED ASSERTION BY
PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE
PRESIDENT PENCE THAT IT IS IS
FALSE.
IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
WHAT I FIND ASTONISHING ABOUT
THIS CONTINUED PATTERN OF
DECEPTION IS THAT THIS IS THE
TICKET, AND THIS IS THE
ADMINISTRATION, THAT EMBRACES
AND HUGS SO ARDENTLY THE IDEA
OF AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM,
EXCEPT WHEN AMERICA CONDUCTS AN
ELECTION.
APPARENTLY, THERE, WE ARE ALL
APPARENTLY FRAUDS, BUMBLERS,
INCOMPETENCE, OR FOOLS.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM.
AND I WONDER IF THEY ACTUALLY
BELIEVE THAT AMERICANS ARE HELL-
BENT ON CREATING AN ATMOSPHERE
OF CRIME AROUND A PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
I'VE SEEN NO EVIDENCE.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO POINT
TO TO SUGGEST THAT'S TRUE, AND,
YET THE ASSERTION COMES FROM
NOT JUST THE PRESIDENT, BUT THE
VICE PRESIDENT.
THEY CAN ONLY HAVE ONE PURPOSE,
TO SOW CONFUSION AND DOUBT.
ON ELECTION NIGHT, THAT DOUBT
WILL COME UP AGAINST VOTERS WHO
CAST THEIR BALLOTS AND RENDER
THEIR OWN JUDGMENT.
WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
>> MAJOR IMPLICATIONS.
SO GRATEFUL TO YOU ALL.
CAITLIN HUEY-BURNS, ED O'KEEFE,
MAJOR, GARRETT THANK YOU ALL
FOR JOINING US.
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