Full Debate: Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Kamala Harris | WSJ

good evening from the University of Utah in Salt Lake City
Welcome to the first
and only vice presidential debate of 2020 sponsored by the
nonpartisan
Commission on presidential debates I'm Susan page of USA
Today it is my honor to moderate this debate an important part of
our democracy in Kingsbury Hall tonight we have a small and
socially distant
audience and we've taken extra precautions
during this pandemic
other things everyone in the audience is required to wear a
face mask and the candidates will be seated 12 feet apart the
audience is enthusiastic about their
candidates but they've agreed to express that enthusiasm only
twice at the end of the debate and now when I introduce the
candidates please welcome
California Senator Kamala Harris and vice president Mike Pence
Pence
thank you
Senator
Harris and vice president Pence thank you for being here we're
meeting as President Trump and the first lady continue to
undergo treatment in Washington after testing positive for
covid-19 we send our thoughts and prayers to them for their
rapid and complete recovery and for the recovery of everyone
afflicted by the Coronavirus the two campaigns in the commission
on presidential debates have agreed to the ground rules for
tonight I'm here to enforce them on behalf of the millions of
Americans who are
watching One Note no one in either campaign or at the
commission or anywhere else has been told in advance what topics
all raise our what
questions I'll ask ask this 90-minute debate will be divided
into nine
segments of about ten minutes each I'll begin a segment by
posing a question to each of you
sometimes the same question sometimes a different question
on the same topic you will then have two minutes to answer
without interruption by me or the other
candidate then we'll take six minutes or so to discuss the
issue at that point although there will always be more to say
we'll move on to the next topic topic
we want a debate that is Lively but Americans also
deserve a discussion that is civil these are tumultuous times
but we can and we'll have a respectful Exchange about the
big issues facing
our nation nation let's begin with the ongoing pandemic that
has cost our country so much Senator Harris the Coronavirus
is not under control over the past week Johns Hopkins reports
that
39 states have had more covid cases over the past seven days
than in the week before nine states have set new records even
if a vaccine is
released soon the next Administration will face hard
choices what would
abide and administration due in January and February that a
trump Administration wouldn't do would you impose new
lockdowns for
in schools and hot spots a federal mandate to wear masks
you have two minutes to respond without interruption thank you
Susan well the American people have witnessed what is the
greatest failure of any presidential Administration in
the history of our country and here are the facts
two hundred and ten thousand dead people in our country and
just the last several months months over
7 million people who have contracted this disease one in
five businesses
closed we're looking at Frontline workers who have been
treated like sacrificial workers
we are looking at over 30 million
people people
who in the last several months had to file for unemployment and
here's the thing on January 28th 28th the vice president and the
president were informed about the nature of this pandemic they
were informed that it's lethal in consequence that it is
Airborne that it will affect young people
people and that it would be contracted because it is
airborne and they knew
what was happening and they didn't tell you can you imagine
if
you knew on January 28th as opposed to March 13th what they
knew what you might have done to prepare they knew and they
covered it up
the president said it was a hoax they minimize the seriousness of
it the
the president said you're on one side of his Ledger if you wear a
mask you're on the other side of his Ledger if you don't
and in spite of all of that today they still don't have a
plan they still don't have a plan will Joe Biden does
and our plan is about what we need to do around a national
strategy for contact
tracing for testing for administration of the vaccine
and making sure that it will be
free for all that is the plan that Joe Biden has and that I
have knowing that we have to get ahold of what has been going on
and we need to save our country
and Joe Biden is the leader to do that and frankly this
Administration has forfeited thank you Ser right to
re-election based on this thank you Senator Harris vice
president Pence more than
two hundred and ten thousand Americans have died of covid-19
since February the u.s. death toll as a percentage of our
population is higher than that of almost every other wealthy
Nation on Earth for instance our death rate is
two and a half times that of Canada next door you had the
administration's
coronavirus task force Why is the US death toll as a
percentage of our
population higher than that of almost every other wealthy
country and you have
two minutes to respond without interruption this isn't thank
you and I want to thank the commission and the University of
Utah for hosting this event and Senator Harris it's privileged
to be on the stage with
with you our nation has gone through a very challenging time
this year year but I want the American people to know that
from the very first day President Donald Trump has
put the health of America first before there were more than five
cases in the United States all people who had returned from
China President Donald
Trump did what no other American president had ever done that was
he suspended all travel from China the second largest economy
in the world now now Senator Joe Biden
Biden opposed that decision he said it was Zena phobic and and
hysterical
but I can tell you having led the White House coronavirus Task
Force at that decision Alone by President Trump bought us
invaluable time to
stand up the greatest National mobilization since World War Two
and I believe it's saved hundreds of thousands of
American lives because with that time we were able to reinvent
testing more than a hundred fifteen million tests have been
done to date we were able to see to the delivery of billions of
supplies so our doctors and nurses had the resources
support they needed and we began really the month of February was
Art to develop a vaccine and to develop medicines and
Therapeutics have been saving lives all along the way and
under President Trump's leadership operation warp speed
We Believe will have literally tens of millions of doses of
vaccine before the end of this year the reality is when you
look at the Biden plan it reads an awful lot like what President
Trump and I and our task force have been doing every step of
the way
I mean quite frankly when I look at their plan that talks about
about advancing testing creating new PPE developing a vaccine it
looks a little bit like plagiarism
which is something Joe Biden knows a little bit about and I
think the American people know that this is a
president who has put the help America First in the American
people I believe with my heart can be proud of the sacrifices
they have made
its saved countless American lives Senator Harris would you
like to respond absolutely whatever the
vice president is claiming the Administration has done
clearly it hasn't you're looking at over 210,000 dead bodies in
our country American lives
that have been lost families that are grieving that loss and
you know
the vice president is the head of the task force and new
on January 28th how serious this was and then big thanks to Bob
Woodward
we learned that they knew about it and then when that was
exposed
the vice president said when asked well why didn't y'all tell
anybody he said because the president wanted people to
remain calm well let's
go I have enough but Susan Knight this is important and I
want to add mr. vice president speaking I have
I'm speaking yep you think more seconds and then we'll give
give the vice president I want to ask the American people how
come were you when you were panicked about where you're
going to get your next roll of toilet paper how
come we're you when your kids were sent home from school and
you didn't know when they could go back how come thank you you
think when your children couldn't see your parents
because you were afraid they could kill them Miss give vice
president Pence a chance to respond vice president you have
one minute to respond oh there's not a day gone by that I haven't
thought of every American family that has lost a loved one and I
want all of you to know that you'll always be in our hearts
and in our prayers prayers
when you say with the American people have done over these last
eight months hasn't worked that's a great disservice the
sacrifices the American people have made the reality if I may
if I may finish that the reality is dr. Fouch he said everything
that he told the president in the Oval
Office the president told the American people now President
Trump I will tell you has boundless
confidence in the American people and he always spoke with
confidence that we'd get through this together but when you say
it has it worked with dr. Fouch he and dr. Burke's in our
medical experts came to us
in the second week of March they said if the president didn't
take the unprecedented step of shutting down roughly half of
the American economy that we could lose 2.2 million Americans
that's the reality thank you they also said to us if we did
everything right Susan we could still lose more than 200,000
Americans
first person one life lost is taking any Susan but the
American people I believed in
credit for the sacrifices that they have made putting the
health of their family and their neighbors first our doctors our
nurses our first thank you very much present tense and I'm going
to speak up on behalf of what the American people have done
vice president since you were in the front row in a Rose Garden
event 11 days ago what seems to have been a super spreader event
for senior Administration and Congressional officials no
social distancing few mask and now a cluster of Coronavirus
cases among those who were there how can you expect Americans to
follow the administration safety guidelines to protect themselves
from covid when you at the White House have not been doing so
well the American people have demonstrated over the last eight
months it when given the facts
they're willing to put the health of their families and
their neighbors and people they don't even know first
President Trump and I have great confidence in the American
people and and their ability to take that information and put it
into practice in
the height of the epidemic when we were losing
a heartbreaking number of two thousand five hundred Americans
have day we surged resources to New Jersey and
New York and New Orleans and Detroit we told the American
people what needed to be done and the American
people made the sacrifices when the outbreak in the Sunbelt
happened this summer again American step
forward but the reality is the work of the president of the
United States goes on vacancy on the Supreme Court of the United
States has come upon us and the president introduced Judge Amy
coneybear thank you thank you
very much if I may say that Rose Garden event
then great deal of speculation about it my wife Karen and I
were there and honored to be there many of the people who
were at that event Susan actually were tested for
Coronavirus and it was an outdoor event which all of our
scientists regularly and routinely advised the difference
here is President Trump and I trust the American people to
make choices in the best interest of their health
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
consistently talk about mandates and not not just mandates with
the coronavirus but a government takeover of Health Care
thank you Green New Deal all government control we're about
freedom and respecting the freedom of the American
people let's talk about respecting the American people
you respect the American people when you tell them the truth
your respect the American people when you have the courage which
we've all leader speaking of those things that you may not
want people to hear but they need to hear so they can protect
themselves but this Administration stood on if you
had as a parent if you had as a worker knowing you didn't have
enough money saved up and now you're standing in a food line
because of the ineptitude
of a Administration that was unwilling to speak the truth to
the American people so let's talk about caring about the
American people the American people have had to sacrifice far
too much because of the incompetence of this
Administration it is asking too much of the
people we're talking about about asking too much of the the
people look they would not be equipped with the information
they need to help themselves to protect their parents and their
children Kamala Harris Senator Harris I mean
I'm sorry if I'm coming no no
your Senator Harris to me for life to get back to normal dr.
Anthony fauci and other experts say that most of the people who
can be back sedated need to be vaccinated but half of Americans
now say they wouldn't take a vaccine if it was released now
if the Trump administration approves a vaccine before
before or after the
should Americans take it and would you take it if the public
health
professionals if dr. Fouch e if the doctors tell us that we
should take it I'll be the first in line to take it absolutely
but if Donald Trump tells us I should do that we should take it
I'm not taking it vice president Pence there been a lot of
repercussions from this pandemic in recent days the president's
diagnosis of covid-19 has underscored the importance of
the job that you hold and that you are seeking
that's our our second topic tonight
it's the role of the vice vice president one of you will make
history on January 20th we will be the vice president to the
oldest president the United States has ever had Donald Trump
will be 74 years old on inauguration day
Joe Biden will be 78 years old that already has raised concerns
among some
voters concerns that have been sharpened by President Trump's
hospitalization in recent days vice president Pence have you
had a conversation or
reached an agreement with President Trump about safeguards
or procedures when it
comes to the issue of presidential disability and if
not do you think you should you have two minutes without
interruption well Susan thank you although I would like to go
back I think we need to move on but I would like to go back
because the reality is that we're going to have a vaccine
senator in record time
in in unheard of in less than a year
we have five companies in Phase 3 clinical trials and we're
right now producing tens of
millions of doses so the fact that you continue to
undermine public confidence in a vaccine if the vaccine emerges
during the
Trump Administration I think is is unconscionable and Senator I
just
asked you stop playing politics with people's lives the reality
is that we will have a vaccine We Believe before the end of
this year and it will
have the capacity to say countless American lives and
your continuous
undermining of confidence in a vaccine is just it's just
unacceptable and let me also say you know the reality is when you
talk about about failure in this Administration administration
we actually
do know what failure looks like in a pandemic it was 2009 the
swine flu arrived in the United States thankfully it was ended
up name not being as lethal as the Coronavirus but before the
end of the year
when Joe Biden was vice president of the United States
not seven and a half million people
contracted the swine flu 60 million Americans contracted
the swine flu
if the swine flu had been as lethal as the coronavirus in
2009 when Joe Biden was vice president we would have lost two
million American lives his own Chief of Staff Ron klain would
say last year that it was
Pure Luck that they did quote everything possible wrong and in
we learned from that they lived the Strategic National stockpile
empty they left an empty and Hollow plan but we still learn
from it
and I think you know
have see again can be priced present tense I'm sorry what we
have done and Senator please thank you very much for
undermining confidence in a vaccine Senator Harris let me
ask you the same question that I asked vice president Pence which
is have you had a conversation
or reached an agreement with Vice President Biden about
safeguards
our procedures when it comes to the issue of presidential
disability and if not
and if you win the election next month do you think you should
you have two minutes uninterrupted uninterrupted so
let me tell you first of all the day I got the call from from Joe
Biden it was actually Zoom call asking me to serve with him on
this ticket was probably one of the most memorable memorable
days of my life I you know I thought about my mother who came
to the United
States at the age of 19 I'm gave birth to me at the age of of 25
at Kaiser Hospital in Oakland California and the thought that
I'd be sitting here right now I know would make her proud and
she must be looking down
on this you know Joe and I were raised in a very similar way
we were raised with values that are about hard work about
the value and the Dignity of Public Service and about the
importance of fighting for the
Dignity of all people and I think Joe asked me to serve with
him because because you know I have a
career that included being elected the first woman district
attorney of San Francisco
where I created models of innovation for law enforcement
in terms of Reform of the Criminal Justice System I was
elected the first woman of color
and black woman to be elected Attorney General of the state of
California where I ran the second largest
Department of Justice in the United States second only to the
United States Department of Justice and there I took on
everything from transnational criminal organizations
organizations to the banks that were taking advantage of
homeowners to for-profit colleges that were taking
advantage of veterans and then of course now I serve in the
United States Senate is only the second black woman ever elected
to the United States Senate I serve on the Senate intelligence
committee where I've been in regular receipt of classified
information about threats to our nation and hot spots around the
world I've traveled the world I've met with our soldiers in
our in war zones and I think Joe has asked me to serve with him
because he knows that we
we share we share a purpose which is about lifting up the
American people and after the four years that we have seen of
Donald Trump unifying our country around our common values
and principles thank you Senator Harris you need that neither
President Trump nor Vice President Biden has released a
sort of detailed health information that had become the
modern Norm until the 2016 election and in recent days
President Trump's doctors have given misleading
answers or refuse to answer basic questions about his health
and my question too to of you in turn is is this information
voters deserve to know
vice president pants would you like to go first well I Susan
thank you and let me let me say on behalf of the
president and the First Lady how move we've all been by the
outpouring of prayers and concern and for the president
and I do believe it's
emblematic of the prayers and concern that that have ushered
for for every American impacted by the Coronavirus but the care
of the president received at Walter Reed hospital the White
House doctors was exceptional and the transparency that they
practiced all along the way will continue the American people
have
a right to know about the health and well being of their
president and will continue to do that
but I'm just extremely grateful and was more than more than a
little moved by the
broad and bipartisan support and
as a senator I want to thank you and Joe Biden for your
Expressions genuine concern and I also want to congratulate you
as I did on that phone call on the historic nature of your
nomination I never expected to be on this
stage for years ago so I know the feeling but the reality is
we've got an election before the American people in the midst of
this
challenge a year and the stakes have never been higher
higher basically the choice has never been clearer I to give
Senator Harris a chance to respond to the same question I
asked which is do voters have a right to know more detailed
health information about presidential candidates and
especially about presidents especially when they're facing
some kind of challenge absolutely and that's why Joe
Biden has been so incredibly transparent and certainly by
contrast the
president has not both in terms of health records but also let's
look at taxes we now know because of great investigative
investigative journalism Trump paid 750 dollars in taxes when I
first heard about it
I literally said you mean seven hundred and fifty thousand
dollars and it was like
no 750 dollars we now know Donald Trump owes
and is in debt for 400 million dollars in just so everyone is
clear when we say in debt it means you owe money to somebody
somebody and it'd be really good to know who the president of the
United States the commander-in-chief owes
money
to because the American people have a right to know what is
influencing the president's decisions and is he making those
decisions on the best interest of the
American people of you or self-interest so Susan I'm glad
you asked about transparency because it has to be across the
board Joe has been incredibly transparent over many many years
the one thing we all know about
he puts it all out there he he is honest he is forthright but
Donald Trump on the other hand has been about covering up
everything thanks
thank you Senator Harris I want to give you a chance to respond
vice president will look I respect the fact that Joe Biden
spent 47 years in public life I respect your Public Service as
well thank you the American people have a president was
businessman it's a job creator who's paid tens of millions of
dollars as in taxes payroll taxes property taxes he's
created tens of thousands of
American jobs the president said those public reports are not
accurate
and in the president's also released literally stacks of
financial disclosures the American people can review just
as the law allows but the distinction here is
that Joe Biden 47 years in public service compared to
President Donald Trump who brought all of that experience
for years ago thank you very much
much thank you very much this economy around by cutting taxes
rolling back regulations thank you thank you guys for energy
fighting for free and fair trade and all of that stuff nice
present if Joe Biden and
Kamala Harris you know that's a good segue into our third topic
which is about the economy this has been another aspect of life
for Americans it's been so affected by this coronavirus we
have a jobs crisis Brewing on Friday we learned that
the unemployment rate has declined to seven point nine
percent in September the job growth
has stalled and that was before the latest round of layoffs and
furloughs in the airline industry at Disney and elsewhere
hundreds of thousands of discouraged workers have stopped
looking for work nearly 11 million jobs that existed at the
beginning of the year haven't been replaced those hardest hit
include Latinos blacks and women
Senator Harris the Biden Harris
campaign has proposed new programs to boost the economy
and you would pay for that new spending by raising four
trillion dollars taxes on Wealthy individuals and
corporations some economists warn that could curb
entrepreneurial Ventures that fuel growth and create jobs
would
raising taxes with the recovery at risk and you have two minutes
to answer uninterrupted thank you on the issue of the economy
I think there couldn't be a more fundamental difference between
Donald Trump and Joe Joe Biden
Joe Biden believes you measure the health and the strength of
America's economy based on the health and the strength of the
American worker and the American
family
on the other hand you have Donald Trump who measures the
strength of the economy based on how rich people are doing which
is why he passed a tax bill benefiting the top 1% percent
and the biggest corporations of America leading to a two
trillion dollar deficit that the American people are gonna have
to pay for
on day one Joe Biden will repeal that tax bill he'll get rid of
it and what he'll do with the money is invested in the
American people people and through a plan that is about
investing in infrastructure something that Donald Trump said
he would do I remember hearing about some infrastructure week I
don't think it ever happened but Joe Biden will do that he'll
invest in infrastructure it's about upgrading our roads and
bridges but also investing in clean energy and renewable
energy Joe was going to invest that money in what we need to do
around innovation there was a time when our country believed
in science and invested in research and development so that
we were in an innovation leader on the globe Joe Biden will use
that money to invest in education so for example
for folks who want to go to a two-year Community College it
will be free if you come from a family that makes less than a
hundred and you'll go to a public university for
free and across the board will make sure that if you have
student loan debt it's cut by $10,000 that's how Joe Biden
thinks about the which is it's about investing in the people of
our country as opposed to passing a tax bill which had the
benefit of letting American corporations go offshore to do
their business
thank you
so much for Harris vice president pinch your
Administration has been predicting a rapid and robust
recovery but the latest economic report suggests that's not
happening should Americans be braced for an economic comeback
that is going to take not months but a year or more you have two
minutes to answer interrupted when President Obama took office
America gone through the slowest economic recovery
since the Great Depression when Joe Biden was vice president
they tried to tax and spend and regulate and bail our way back
to a growing economy President Trump cut taxes across the board
this fight what Senator Harris says the average American
family of four had two thousand dollars in Savings in taxes and
with the rise in wages that occurred most predominantly for
blue hard-working
hard-working American the average household income for a
family of four increased by four thousand dollars
following President Trump's tax cuts but America you just heard
Senator Harris tell you on day one Joe Biden is going to raise
your taxes it's really remarkable
to things I mean right after a time where we're going through a
pandemic
that lost twenty two million jobs at the height we've already
added back
11.6 million jobs because we had a president who cut taxes rolled
back regulation unleash
American Energy fought for free and fair trade and secured four
trillion dollars from the Congress of the United States to
give direct payments to families say 50 million jobs through the
paycheck Protection Program we literally have spared no expense
to help the American people in the American worker through this
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris want to raise taxes they want to bury
our economy under a two trillion dollar Green New Deal
which you were one of the original co-sponsors of in the
United States Senate they want to abolish fuels and ban
fracking which would cost hundreds of thousands
of American jobs all across the Heartland and Joe Biden wants to
go back to the
economic surrender to China that when we took office half of our
international trade deficit was with China alone and Jill Biden
wants to repeal all of the tariffs that
President Trump put into effect of fight for American jobs and
American workers Joe Biden says
democracies on the ballot make no mistake about it season the
American economy the the American comeback is on the
ballot with four more years of growth
thank you opportunity for more years of President Donald Trump
2021
biggest economic year in the history of this country thank
you very much president Pence Senator Harris well I mean I
think that we saw enough of it in last week's debate but I
think this is supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth
and the truth and the fact is Joe Biden has been very clear he
will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than 400,000
she's a year peel the Trump tax cuts mr. vice president
I'm speaking I'm speaking the important as you said the truth
Joe Biden is
V YC in the debate last week that he's going to repeal the
Trump tax cuts that was tax cuts that gave the average working
family $2,000 in a tax break every single you have Senator
that is absolutely not true
that's not only cutting is the only going to repeal part of the
Trump tax cuts if you don't mind letting me finish
we can then have a conversation okay please okay Joe Biden will
not raise taxes on anyone who makes less than $400,000 a year
he has been very clear about that Joe Biden will not end
fracking he has been very clear about that
that
Joe Biden is the one who during the Great Recession was was
responsible for the Recovery Act
that brought America back and now the Trump hence
Administration wants to take credit when they ran when they
rode the court coattails of Joe
Biden success for the economy that they had at the beginning
of their term of course now the economy is a complete disaster
but Joe Biden on the one hand did that on the other hand you
have Donald Trump who has reigned over
add recession that is being compared to
the Great Depression on the one hand you have Joe Biden who was
responsible with President Barack Obama for the Affordable
Care Act which
which brought healthcare 20 million Americans and protected
people with pre-existing conditions and what it also did
is it saved to those families who otherwise were going
bankrupt
because of hospital bills they could not afford on the other
hand you have Donald Trump who's in court right now trying to get
rid of thank you for trying to get rid of the Affordable Care
Act which means that you will lose protections if you have
pre-existing conditions and I just this is very important
Susan yes and it's a we need to give we need to get Vice
president just like he that he interrupted me and I'd like to
just finish please
please
if you have a pre-existing condition heart disease diabetes
breast cancer they're coming for you if you love someone who has
a pre-existing condition thank you so much for you if you are
under the age of 26 on your parents coverage they're coming
for you Senator Harris thank you you're welcome me give you a
chance to respond well I hope we have a chance to talk about
health care because Obamacare was a disaster the American
people remember it well President Trump and I have a
plan to improve Healthcare and for present protect
pre-existing conditions for every American but look Senator
Harris your entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled
to your own facts you yourself said on multiple occasions when
you were running for president that you would ban fracking
fracking Joe Biden looked his supporter in the eye and pointed
and said I guarantee I guarantee that we will abolish fossil
fuels they have a two trillion dollar version of the green New
Deal Susan that your newspaper USA Today said really
wasn't that very different from the original Green New Deal more
taxes
more regulation Banning fracking abolishing fossil
fuel crushing American Energy
and economic surrendered China China is a shouldn't for
economic decline President Trump and I will keep America growing
the v-shaped recovery that's underway right now we'll
continue with four more years of
President
Donald Trump thank you very much vice president hands once again
you've provided the perfect segue to a new topic which is
climate change and vice president Pence I'd like to pose
the first question to you this year we've seen record setting
hurricanes in the south another one hurricane Delta is now
threatening the gulf and we have seen record setting wildfires in
the West do you believe as the scientific Community
has concluded that man made climate change has made
wildfires
bigger hotter and more deadly
and have made hurricanes wetter slower and more damaging you
have two minutes uninterrupted uninterrupted Thank You Susan
first I'm very proud of our record on the environment and on
conservation
according to all of the best estimates are our air and land
are cleaner than any time ever recorded our water is among the
cleanest in the world and just
a little while ago the president signed the outdoors exit the
largest investment in
our public lands and public parks in a hundred years so
President Trump has made a commitment to conservation into
the environment now with regard to climate change
change the climate is changing but the issue is what's the
cause and what
do we do about it President Trump has made it clear that
we're going to continue to listen to the science
now Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would put us back in the Paris
climate Accord they did impose the green New Deal which would
crush American Energy would
increase the energy costs of American families in their homes
and literally would crush
American jobs and President Trump and I believe that the
progress we have made in a cleaner environment has been
happening precisely because we have a strong free market
economy you know what's remarkable is the United States
has reduced CO2 more than the
countries they're still in the Paris climate Accord but we've
done it through innovation
and we've done it through Natural Gas and fracking which
Senator the American
people can go look at the record I know Joe Biden says says
otherwise now as you do but the both of you repeatedly committed
to abolishing fossil fuel and banning fracking and so by
creating the kind of American innovation we're actually
steering toward a stronger and better environment with regard
to wildfires President Trump and I believe that Forest management
has to be front and center on even Governor Gavin Newsom from
your state
has agreed we've got to work on Forest management and with
regard to hurricanes the National Oceanic Administration
administration tells us
is different as they are you vice president there are no more
hurricanes today than there were a hundred years ago thank you
but many of the climate alarmists use very canes and
wildflowers to try and sell the Villa Goods of a green New Deal
and President Trump and I are going to always put American
jobs and American workers first Senator Harris as the vice
president mentioned who co-sponsored the green New Deal
in Congress
but Vice President Biden said in last week's debate that he does
not support support the green new deal Deal but if you look at
the Biden Harris campaign website it describes the green
New Deal as a crucial framework what exactly would be the stance
of a Biden Harris Administration
toward the green New Deal you have two minutes uninterrupted
sore so first of all I will repeat and the American people
now that Joe Biden will not ban fracking that that is a fact
that is a fact fact I will repeat that
Joe Biden has been very clear that he thinks about growing
jobs
which is why he will not increase taxes for anyone who
makes less than $400,000
a year Joe Biden's economic plan Moody's which is a
reputable Wall Street firm has said will create seven million
more jobs than Donald Trump's and part of those jobs that will
be created by Joe Biden are going to be about
about clean energy and renewable energy because you see Joe
understands that the west coast of our country is
burning including my home state of California Josie's what is
happening on the
Gulf States which are being battered by storms Joe has seen
and talked with the farmers in Iowa whose entire crops have
been destroyed because of floods
and so Joe believes again in science I'll tell you something
Susan I served when I first got
to the
Senate on the the committee that's responsible for the
environment do you know this Administration
took the word science off the website and then took the phrase
climate change off the website this we have seen a pattern with
this Administration
which is they don't believe in science and Joe's plan is about
saying we're going to deal with it but we're also going to
create jobs Donald Trump when asked about the wildfires in
California and and the question was you know the science is
telling us is you know what Donald Trump said science
doesn't know know
so let's talk about who is prepared to lead our country
over the course of the next four years on what is an existential
threat to us as human beings Joe is about saying we're going to
invest that in
renewable energy which is going to be about the creation of
millions of jobs we will achieve net zero emissions by 2050
carbon neutral by 2035 Joe has a plan this has been a lot of talk
from the Trump Administration and really it has been to go
backward instead of forward
we will also
he entered the climate agreement with pride Senator Harris just
said that climate change is an existential threat vice
president Pence do you believe that climate change poses an
existential threat threat
as I said Susan the climate is changing we'll follow the
science but once again Senator Harris is
denying the fact that they're going to raise taxes on every
American Joe Biden said twice in the debate last week then on day
one he was going to repeal the Trump tax
cuts those tax cuts delivered two thousand dollars in tax
relief to the average family of four across America and with
regard to Banning fracking I
I just recommend that people
look at the record you yourself said repeatedly that you would
ban fracking you were the first Senate co-sponsor of the green
New Deal and while Joe Biden denied the
green New Deal Susan thank you for pointing out the green New
Deal is on their campaign website and as USA Today said
it's essentially the same plan as you co-sponsored with AOC
when she submitted an in the Senate and you just heard the
senator say that she's going to resubmit America to the Paris
climate Accord look look the
American people have always cherished our environment will
continue to cherish it we've made great progress reducing CO2
emissions through American innovation and the development
of natural gas through fracking we don't need a massive two
trillion dollar Green New Deal that would impose all new
mandates on American businesses and American
families thank you Joe Biden wants us to retrofit for million
thank you buildings it makes no sense it will cost jobs
jobs president thank you very much Erica
first he's going to put Jobs first and we're going to take
care of our environment and follow the science they've been
Senator here let's talk about that you the vice
president earlier referred to as part of it he thinks is an
accomplishment the the president's trade war with China
you lost that trade War you lost it what ended up happening
is because of a so-called trade war with China America America
lost three
manufacturing jobs farmers Farmers have experienced
bankruptcy
because of it we are in a Manufacturing recession
because of it and when we look at where this Administration has
been
there are estimates that by the end of the term of this
Administration they
will have lost more jobs than almost any other presidential
Administration and the American people know what I'm talking
about about you know no
I think about 20 year olds you know we have a 20 year old
20 something year old who are coming out of high school and
college right now and you're wondering is there going to be a
job there for me we're looking at people who are trying to
figure out how they're going to pay rent by the end of the month
almost half of American renters are worried about whether
they're going to be able to pay rent by the end of the month
this
is where the economy is in America right now and it is
because of the the fee and the failure of leadership of this
Administration thank you Senator Harris
vice president has some he gives us 15 seconds to respond because
then I want to move on to well
I love to respond look lost the trade war with China Joe Biden
never fought it
Joe Biden has been a cheerleader for communist China through over
the last several decades and again Senator Harris you're
entitled to your opinion you're not entitled to your own facts
when Joe Biden is Vice President president we lost hundred
thousand Manufacturing jobs and President Obama said they were
never coming back he said we needed a magic wand to bring
them back in our first three years after we cut taxes roll
back regulations Unleashed American Energy
this Administration saw 500,000 and exited jobs created and
that's exactly the kind of growth we're going to continue
to see as we bring our nation through thank you very much
pandemic mr. Green New Deal you guys
have been mandates your Paris climate Accord it's going to
kill jobs this time just like it killed jobs jobs please respond
very briefly 50 seconds and thank you thank you Joe
Biden is responsible for saving America's Auto industry and you
voted against it so let's set the record straight thank you
I'd like to talk
about China we have as our next topic we have no more
complicated are consequential foreign relationship than the
one with China
it it is a huge market for American Agricultural Goods it's
a potential partner
in dealing with climate change in North Korea and in a video
tonight
President Trump
blamed it for the Coronavirus saying China will pay vice
president Pence how would you describe our fundamental
relationship with China competitors adversaries enemies
you have two minutes Thank You Susan well let me before I leave
that let me let me speak to voting records
if I can you know everybody knows that NAFTA cost literally
thousands of American factories too close we saw automotive jobs
go South of the Border
President Trump fought to renegotiate NAFTA and the United
States Mexico
Canada agreement is now the law of the
land American people deserve to know Senator Kamala Harris was
one of only ten members of the Senate to vote against the
USMC a it was a huge win for American Auto Workers it was a
huge win
for American farmers especially
dairy in the Upper Midwest but Senator you said it didn't go
far enough on climate change that that you put your your
radical environmental agenda ahead of American Auto Workers
in ahead
of American jobs and the American
sir to know that is probably why Newsweek magazine said that
Kamala Harris was the most liberal member of the United
States Senate in 2019 more liberal than Bernie Sanders more
liberal than any of the others in the United States Senate so
now with regard to China
the Susan first and and foremost China is
to blame for the Coronavirus and President Trump is not
happy about it he's made that very clear made it clear again
today China and the World Health
Organization to not police straight with the American
people they did not let our personnel
into China to get information on the coronavirus until the middle
of February fortunately President Trump in dealing with
China from the outset of this Administration standing
up to China that have been taking advantage of America for
decades in the wake of
Joe Biden's cheerleading for China President Trump made that
Vision before the end of January to suspend all travel from China
and again the American people deserve to know Joe Biden
opposed President Trump's decision to suspend all travel
from China he said it was hysterical he said thank you
thank you the President Trump we're going to continue to stand
strong you guys President we want to improve the relationship
but we're going to level the playing field and we're going to
hold China accountable for what they did to America with the
coronavirus thank you Senator Harris let me ask you the same
question Ian that I asked the vice president how would you
describe our fundamental relationship with China are we
competitors adversaries enemies you'll have two minutes
uninterrupted Susan the Trump Administration
perspective and approach to China has resulted in the loss
of American lives
American jobs and America's standing
standing there is a weird obsession that
President Trump has had with getting rid of whatever
accomplishment
was
achieved by President Obama and vice President Biden for example
they created within the White House in office that basically
was responsible for monitoring pandemics they got away they got
rid of it
not true there was a team of disease experts
that that President and Vice President Biden dispatched to
China to monitor what is now predictable and what might
happen they pulled them out we now are looking at
210 hundred and ten thousand Americans who have lost their
lives lives
let's look at the job situation we mentioned before the trade
deal the trade War they wanted to call it with China it
resulted in the
loss of over 300 manufacturing jobs and a manufacturing
recession and the American Consumer paying thousands of
dollars more for goods because of
that failed war that they called it then let's talk about
standing Pew of reputable research research firm
has done an analysis that shows that leaders of all of our
formally Allied countries have now decided that they holding
greater esteem and respect Gigi Zhao zhi Jing the head of the
Chinese Communist Party then they do Donald Trump the
president of the United States the commander-in-chief of the
United States this is where we are today because of a failure
of leadership by this Administration administration
Senator Harris
we've seen changes in the in the role of the United States in
terms of Global Leadership over the past four years and of
course times do change what's your definition wishing strains
with China of course as the vice president mentioned
we've seen strange with our traditional allies in NATO and
elsewhere what is your definition of the role of
American leadership in in 2020
so you know Joe is I love talking with you about a lot of
these issues and you know
Joe he I think he said it quite well he says you know foreign
policy and might sound complicated but really it's
relationships they're just think about it as relationships and so
we know this in our personal professional professional
relationships you got to keep your word to your friends
friends God be loyal to
your friends people who stood with you got to stand with them
you got to know who your adversaries are and keep them in
check but what we have seen with Donald Trump is that he has
betrayed
our friends and it and Beach and
embraced dictators around the world let's take for example
Russia Russia
so rush I serve on the intelligence committee of the
United States
Senate America's intelligence Community told us
Russia interfered in the election of the president of the
United States in 2016 and is playing in 2020
Christopher a the director of the FBI said the same
but Donald Trump the commander-in-chief of the United
States of America prefers to take the word of Vladimir
Putin over the word of the American intelligence community
community you look at our friends at NATO he's walked away
from agreements you can talk
look at the Iran nuclear deal which now has put us in a
position where
we are less safe because they are building up what might end
up being a
significant nuclear Arsenal we were in that deal guys we were
in the Iran nuclear deal with friends with allies around the
country and because of Donald Trump's unilateral approach to
foreign policy policy Cup his isolationism he pulled us out
and has made America less safe so Susan it's about
relationships and the thing that has always been part of the
strength of our nation in
addition to our great military has been that we keep our word
but Donald Trump doesn't understand that because he
doesn't understand what it means to be honest thank you
thank you
thank you Senator Harris vice president's let me give you a
chance to respond well thank you well President Trump kept his
word when we move the American Embassy see to Jerusalem the
capital of the state of Israel when Joe Biden was vice
president they promised to do that and they never did we've
stood strong with our allies but we've been demanding NATO
is now contributing more to our common defense than ever before
thanks to President Trump's leadership we've strengthened
our alliances across the Asia Pacific and we've
stood strong against those who would do us harm you know when
President Trump came into office Isis Isis had captured an area
of the Middle East the
size of Pennsylvania a President Trump unleash the American
Military and our Armed Forces
destroy the Isis caliphate and took down their leader Al
baghdadi without one American Casualty now
back Daddy was responsible for the death of thousands but
notably America's Hearts today are with the family of Kayla
Mueller her parents which are here with us tonight in Salt
Lake
City today two of the Isis killers responsible for Kayla
Mueller's murder we've brought to Justice in the United States
Jihadi John was killed in the battlefield along
with the other beetle the the reality is that when Joe Biden
was
vice president we had an opportunity to save Kayla
Mueller breaks my heart to reflect on it but the military
came into the Oval Office presented a plan they said they
knew where Caleb was back Daddy had held it for
months abused her mercilessly before they killed killed her
but when Joe Biden was vice president they hesitated for a
month and when armed forces finally went in it was clear she
had been moved
two days earlier and her family says with a heart that broke the
heart of every American that President Donald Trump had been
president they believe Kayla would be alive today thank you
very much we destroyed the Isis caliphate and you talk about
re-entering the Iran nuclear deal in the last Administration
transferred 1.8 point eight billion
billion dollars the leading State sponsor
thank you very much terrorism President Donald Trump got us
out of the deal as president and and when qasem soleimani was
traveling to Baghdad thank you for your farm to Americans
President Donald Trump took thank you vice president pain
and America is safer our allies are safer and the American
people know President Donald Trump will never thank you vice
president take action I would like to give Senator Harris a
chance to respond but not at Such Great Lengths because of
course there are other topics we want to talk about I would like
equal time yes yes thank you please go go ahead first of all
to the Mueller Family I know about your daughter's case and
I'm so sorry I'm so sorry what
happened to her is is awful and it should have never happened
happened
and I know Joe feels the same way and I know that President
Obama feels the same
way but you mentioned soleimani
let's let's start there so after the strike on soleimani there
was a Counter-Strike
on our troops in Iraq and and they suffered serious
brain injuries and do you know what Donald Trump dismissed them
as headaches
and this is about a pattern of Donald Trump's where he has
referred
to our men who are serving in our military as suckers and
losers
Donald Trump who went to Arlington Cemetery Cemetery and
stood above the graves of our fallen
fallen heroes
said what's in it for them them because of course you know he
only thinks about what's in it for him let's
take what he said about John McCain a great American hero
and and Donald Trump says he doesn't
deserve to be called a hero because he was a prisoner of war
take and this is this is very important when you want to talk
about who is the current Commander in Chief
and what they care about and what they don't care about
public reporting
that Russia had bounties on the heads of American soldiers and
you know what a bounty is its somebody puts a price on your
head and they will pay it if you are killed and Donald Trump had
talked at least six
times to Vladimir Putin and never brought up the subject Joe
Biden would never do that thank Joe Biden would but Joe Biden
yeah
what hold Russia to account for any threat to our nation's
security or to our troops
who are sacrificing their lives for the sake of our democracy
and our say thank you Senator Harris this is such an important
issue but we have other important
issues as well and I want to I want to make sure we have a
chance I really have talked about on do that she has 15
seconds because I got a friend look I'm sorry vice president
had more time than she said had so far years against
President Donald
Trump regarding men and women of our Armed Forces are absurd I'm
sorry vice president captain in the United States Marine Corps
my son-in-law is deployed in the United States Navy I can assure
all of you with
sons and daughters serving in our military President Donald
Trump not only respects but Revere's all of those who serve
in our armed forces in any suggestion otherwise it's
ridiculous
what are you all right right
I did not create the rules for tonight Joe Biden your campaigns
agreed to the rules for tonight's debate with
the commission on presidential race I'm here to enforce them
which involves moving from one topic to another
giving roughly equal time to both of you which is what I'm
trying very hard to go right ahead so I want to go ahead and
move to the next topic which is an important one as the last
topic was and that is the Supreme Court on Monday the
Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to open hearings on a
me koni Barrett's nomination to the Supreme
Court Senator Harris you'll be there as a member of the
committee her confirmation would submit the courts conservative
majority
and make it likely open to more abortion restrictions even to
overturning the Landmark Roe v– Wade ruling access to
abortion would then be up to the States
vice president pants you're the former governor of Indiana if
roe v– Wade is overturned what would you want Indiana to do
would you want your home state to ban all abortions you have
two minutes uninterrupted well thank you for the question but
I'll use a little bit of my time to respond to that very
important issue before the American people deserve to know
qasem soleimani the Iranian General was
responsible for the death of hundreds of American Service
members
when the opportunity came we saw him headed to Baghdad kill more
Americans President Trump didn't hesitate and
qasem soleimani is gone but you deserve to know the Joe Biden
and Kamala Harris
actually criticized the decision to take out Solomon qasim
soleimani it's really inexplicable but with regard to
Joe Biden it's it's explainable because history records that Joe
Biden actually oppose the raid against Osama bin Laden
it's absolutely essential that we have a commander in chief who
will
not hesitate to act to protect American lives and to protect
American servicemembers and that's
what you have in President Donald Trump now with regard to
the Supreme Court of the United States let me say President
Trump and I could not be more enthusiastic about the
opportunity to see judging me koni Barrett becomes Justice a
me koni Barry she's a brilliant woman
and she will bring a lifetime of experience and a
sizable American family did the Court of the United States and
our hope is in the hearing next week
unlike just as Kevin are received with treatment from you
and others we hope she gets a fair hearing and we particularly
hope that we don't see the kind of attacks on her Christian
faith that we saw before in the Democrat chairman of the
Judiciary Committee before when when
judge Barrett was being confirmed for the Court of
Appeals Express
concern that the dogma
dogma of her face faith lived loudly in her Dick Durbin of
Illinois said that it was a concern Senator I know one of
our judicial nominees you actually attacked because they
were member of the Catholic Knights of Columbus
just because the Knights of Columbus holds pro-life views
and thank you thank you vice president time is when the
hearing takes place that thank you vice president judge a me
koni Barrett will be respected thank you guys for residents
voted and confirmed the Supreme Court of the United Senator
Harris your the
the senator from Murr Attorney General of California
so let me ask you a parallel question to the one I posed to
the vice president if roe v– Wade is overturned what would
you want California to do would you want your home state to
enact no restrictions on access to abortion and you have two
minutes uninterrupted thank you Susan first of all Joe Biden and
I are both people of of faith and it's insulting suggest to
suggest that we would knock anyone
for their faith and in fact Joe if elected will be only the
second practicing Catholic as president of the United States
on the issue of this of this nomination Joe and I
are very clear as are the majority of the American people
we are 27 days before
the decision about who will be the next president of the United
States
and you know before when this conversation has come up you
know it's been about election year or election time
we're literally in an election over 4 million people have voted
people are in the process of voting right now
and so Joe has been very clear as the American people are let
the
American people fill that seat in the White House and then
we'll fill that seat on the
United States Supreme Court in to your point Susan to the
issues before us be more serious there's the issue of choice and
I will always fight for a woman's right to make a decision
about her own body it should be her decision and not that of
Donald Trump and and the vice president Michael pants but
let's also look at what else is before the the court it's the
Affordable Care Act Like literally in the midst of a
public health pandemic pandemic when over 210,000 people have
died
and seven million people probably have what will be in
the future considered a pre-existing
condition because you contracted the virus
Donald Trump is in court right now trying to get rid of the
Affordable Care Act and I said it before and it Bears repeating
this means
means that there will be no more protections if they win for
people with pre-existing conditions this means
that over over 20
and people will lose your coverage it means that if
you're under the age of 26 you can't stay on your parents
coverage anymore and here's the
thing the contrast couldn't be more clear they're trying to get
rid of the Affordable Care Act no biting us saying let's expand
coverage let's give you a choice of a public option or private
coverage let's bring down pme premiums and it lets lower
Medicare eligibility to 60
thank you sister that's true leadership you know you
mentioned earlier
earlier vice pancit the president was committed to
maintaining protections for people with pre-existing
conditions and but you do have this court case that you are
supporting your Administration supporting that would strike
down the Affordable Care Act the President says President Trump
says that he's going to protect people with pre-existing
conditions conditions but he has not explained how he would do
that and that was one of the toughest nuts to crack when they
were passing the Affordable Care Act so tell us specifically how
would your Administration
protect Americans with pre-existing conditions have
access to Affordable Insurance if the Affordable Care Act is
struck down well thank you Susan but let me just say addressing
your very first question I couldn't be more proud to serve
as vice president who a president who stands without
apology for the sanctity of human life I'm pro-life I don't
apologize for for it and this is another one of those cases where
there's such a dramatic contrast Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
support taxpayer funding of abortion all the way
up to the moment of birth late term abortion they
want to increase funding to Planned Parenthood of America
now for our part I would never presume how
judging me koni Barrett would rule on the Supreme Court of the
United States but we'll continue to stand strong for the right to
life when you speak about the Supreme Court though I think the
people really deserve an answer Senator senator Harris are you
and Joe Biden going to pack the court if Judge a me koni Barrett
is confirmed I mean they've been 29 vacancies on the Supreme
Court during presidential election years from George
Washington to Barack Obama president have nominated in all
29 cases but your party is
actually openly advocating adding seats to the Supreme
Court which has had nine
seats for a hundred and fifty years if you don't get your way
this is a classic case of if you can't win by the rules you're
going to change the rules now you've refused to answer
the question Joe Biden has refused to answer the question
so I think the American people would really like to know if
Judge Amy coneybear it is confirmed that the Supreme Court
of the United States are you and Joe Biden if somehow you win
this election going to pack the Supreme Court to get your way
I'm so glad we went through a little history lesson let's do
that a little more in 1861 I'd like you to answer the question
yes vice presidency leaking
I'm speaking okay in 1864 one of the I think political Heroes
certainly the president I assume
of you also mr. vice president is Abraham Lincoln Abraham
Lincoln was
up for re-election and it was twenty seven days before the
election
and a seat became open on the United States Supreme Court
Abraham Lincoln's party was in charge not only the white house
but the Senate but honest Aid said it's not the right thing to
do the American people deserve
to make the decision about who will be the next president of
the United States and then that
person
can select who will serve for a lifetime on the highest court
of our land and so Joe and I are very clear the American people
are voting right now and it should be their decision
decision about who will serve on this most important body for a
lifetime thank you Senator Harrison Susan are voting right
now
they'd like to know if you and Joe Biden are going to pack the
Supreme Court if you don't get your way in this nomination
let's talk about that once again gave a non-answer Joe Biden gave
him honest answer you now the people deserve a straight answer
it and if you haven't figured it out yet the straight answer is
they are going to pack the Supreme Court if they somehow
this election men and women I got to tell you people across
this country if you cherish our Supreme
Court if you cherish the separation of powers you need to
reject the Biden Harris ticket come November the 3rd re-elect
President Donald Trump will stand by that separation of
powers in a nine seats for him course that's talk about packing
the court then let's talk about please yeah I'm about
to so the Trump Pence Administration has been because
I sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee
Susan as you mentioned and I've witnessed the appointments for
Lifetime
appointments to the federal courts district courts courts of
appeal people who are purely ideological people who have been
reviewed by by legal professional
organizations and found to have been not competent are
substandard and do you know
that if the 50 people people
whoo President Trump appointed to the court of appeals for
Lifetime appointments not one is black this is what they've been
doing you want to talk about packing a court let's have
that discussion all right thank you thank you Senator let's go
on and talk about the issue of racial just I just want the
record reflects she never answered the question so you
married maybe the next debate Joe Biden will answer the
question I think the American people know the answer
Thank You vice president in March Brianna Taylor a 26 year
old emergency room technician in Louisville was shot and killed
after police officers executing a search warrant in on a
Narcotics investigation broke into her apartment the police
said they identified themselves Taylor's boyfriend said he
didn't hear them do that he used a gun registered to him to fire
a shot which wounded in officer the the officers then fired
more than 20 rounds into the apartment they say they were
acting in self-defense
none of them have been indicted in
in connection with her
Senator Harris in the case of Brianna Taylor was Justice Done
you have two minutes I don't believe so now I've talked
with briana's mother to make a Palmer and her family and her
family deserves Justice she was a beautiful young
woman she had as her life goal to become a nurse and she wanted
to become an EMT to First learn what's going on out on the
street so she could then become a nurse and save
save lives and her life was taken and justifiably and
tragically in violently and it just it
brings me to you know
the eight minutes and 46 seconds
then America witnessed during which an American man was
tortured and killed under the knee
of an armed uniformed police officer
and people around our country of every race
of every
age of every gender Perfect strangers to each other marched
shoulder to shoulder arm arm and arm
fighting for us to finally achieve that ideal of equal
justice under law and I was a part of those peaceful peaceful
protests
and I believe strongly that first of all we are never
going to condone violence but we always must fight fight
for the values that we hold dear including the fight to achieve
our
ideals and that's why Joe Biden and
I have said on this subject look and I'm a former career
prosecutor I know what I'm talking about
bad cops are bad for good cops we need reform of our policing
in America and our criminal justice system which
is why Joe and I will immediately banned chokeholds
and carotid holds George glad to be alive today if we did that we
will require a National Registry
registry for police officers who break the law we will on the
issue of Criminal Justice Reform
get rid of private prisons and cash bail and we will
decriminalize marijuana and
we will we will expunge the records of those who have been
convicted of marijuana this thank you so much for your
leadership on a tragic tragic issue Senator Harris your black
people in America thank you
senator Harris
vice president Pence let me pose the same question to you in the
case of Brianna Taylor was Justice Done you have two
minutes uninterrupted uninterrupted will our heart
breaks for the loss of innocent any innocent
American Life and the family Brianna Taylor has our
sympathies but I trust our justice system a grand jury
that refused the evidence and it really is remarkable that as a
former prosecutor
you would assume that
an impanel a grand jury looking at all the evidence got it wrong
but you're entitled to your opinion opinion senator I think
with regard to George Floyd there's no excuse for what
happened to George Floyd and Justice will be served served
but there's also no excuse for the rioting and looting that
that follow I mean it really
is astonishing floor Westbrook is with us here tonight in Salt
Lake City City
this few weeks ago I stood at what used to be her
salon was burned to the ground by rioters and looters
and and Flora is still trying to put her life back together
and I must tell you this this
this presumption that you hear consistently from Joe Biden and
Kamala Harris that
the America has systemically racist
that is your Biden said that he believes that law enforcement
has an implicit bias against
minorities minorities is a great insult
to the men and women who serve in law enforcement and I want
everyone to know who puts on the uniform of
law enforcement every day and President Trump and I stand with
you
and it is remarkable that that when Senator Tim Scott tried to
pass a
police Reform
Bill brought together a group of Republicans and Democrats
Senator Harris you've got up and walked out of the room and then
you filibustered senator Tim Scott says bill on the senate
floor that would have provided new accountability
new repeat resources
but we don't have to choose between supporting law
enforcement proving Public Safety and supporting our
African-American American neighbors for all of our
midori's under President Trump's leadership events will always
stand with law enforcement and we'll do what we've done the
Press do you want to thank you your time is lives of African
Americans thank you Father for the unemployment employment
record investments in education for fight for school choice for
all of our man thank you very much like to respond Senator
Harris I will not sit here and be lectured by the Vice
President on what it means to enforce the laws of our country
I am the only one on this stage
who has personally prosecuted everything from child sexual
assault to homicide I'm the only one on the stage was prosecuted
the big banks for taking advantage of America's
homeowners I'm the only one on this stage who prosecuted for
profit colleges for taking advantage of our our veterans
and the reality of this is
that we are talking about an election in 27 days where last
week the president of the United States took a debate stage in
front of 70 million Americans and refused to condemn white
supremacists
and true it wasn't like he didn't have a chance
he didn't do it and then he doubled down and then he said
when pressed
stand back stand by by and this is a part of a pattern of Donald
Donald Trump's you he was good he called Mexicans rapists and
criminals he instituted as his first act a Muslim ban he
on the issue of Charlottesville where people were peacefully
protesting the need for racial Justice were a a young woman was
killed and on the other side there were neo-nazis carrying
tiki torches
shouting racial epithets speed anti-Semitic
anti-semitic slurs
and Donald Trump when asked about it said they were fine
people on both sides this is who we have is the president of the
United States and America you deserve better Joe Biden will be
a President who brings our
country together Senator Harris and and recognizes the beauty in
our diversity and the fact that we all sang so much more in
common than what separates us vice-president in some me give
you a minute to respond thank you Susan I'd appreciate that
very much
much you know I think this is one of the things that makes
people dislike the media so much in this country Susan is it you
selectively edit just like
Senator Harris did comments that President Trump and I and others
on our side of the aisle make
Senator Harris conveniently omitted after the after the
president made comments about people on either side of the
debate over monuments he condemned
the KKK neo-nazis and white supremacist and has done so
repeatedly
your concern that he doesn't condemn neo-nazis President
Trump has Jewish
grandchildren his daughter and son-in-law are Jewish this is a
President Who
who and cherishes all of the American people but you talked
about having personally prosecuted I'm glad you brought
up your records Senator thank you that's I really need to make
this point when you were when you were DEA in San Francisco
when you left office African-Americans were 19 times
more likely to be prosecuted for minor drug offenses than whites
and Hispanics when you were Attorney General
of California
increased the report the disproportionate incarceration
of banks in California you did nothing on Criminal Justice
Reform in California you didn't lift a finger to pass the first
step back on Capitol Hill I mean the reality is your record
speaks for itself President Trump and I have fought for
criminal Justice for thank you vice president fought for
educational choice and opportunities for
African-Americans all of our thank you sir and we'll do it
for for thank you you know there is no more important issue
than the final issue ew that we're going to talk about
tonight and that is the issue of the election but itself he
attacked my record I would like an opportunity to respond let me
give you 30 seconds because we because we're running out of
time appreciate appreciate that first of all having served as
the Attorney General of the state of California the work
that I did is a model of what our nation needs to do and we
will be able to do Under a Joe Biden presidency our
our agenda includes what this Administration has failed to do
it will be about not only
instituting a ban on chokeholds and carotid holds thank you not
only thank you Senator I would like to go through these are
points that you
made earlier in the hour and I
to talk about the election itself before we have to but I
want to talk about the connection between what Joe and
I will do in my record which includes I was the first
Statewide officer to Institute a requirement that my agents would
wear body cameras and keep them on full time we were the first
to initiate a requirement that there would be a training for
law enforcement on implicit bias because yes Joe Biden and I
recognize that implicit bias does exist mr. vice president
contrary to what you may believe we did the work of
instituting reforms that were about investing in reentry this
is the work that we have done and the work we will do going
forward and again again I will not by the Vice President on our
record of what we have done in terms
of law enforcement and keeping our communities safe and a
commitment to reforming the criminal justice system of
America thank you Senator Harris and I'd like to pose the first
like you to respond first to the question on our final topic the
election itself President Trump
has several times refused to commit himself to a peaceful
transfer of power after the election if your ticket wins and
and president Trump refuses to accept a
peaceful transfer of power what steps would you in Vice
President Biden then take
what would happen next you have two minutes
so I'll tell you you Joe and I are I think particularly proud
of the Coalition that we have built around our campaign we
probably have one of
the broadest coalition of folks that you've ever seen in a
presidential race of course we have the support of Democrats
but also Independents and Republicans in fact seven
members of President George W Bush's cabinet are supporting
our ticket we have the support of
of of
on pal Cindy McCain John Kasich over 500 generals retired
generals and former National Security Experts and
advisors are supporting our campaign and I believe they are
doing that because they know that Joe Biden
has a deep deep seated commitment to fight for our
democracy and to fight for the integrity of our democracy and
to bring Integrity back to the White House and so we believe
in the American even people we believe in our democracy and
here's what I'd like to say to everybody vote
please vote vote early come up with a plan to vote go to I will
vote.com you can also go to
to Joe Biden.com we have it within our power in these next
twenty seven days to make the decision about what will be the
course of our country for the next four years and it is within
our power and if we use
our vote and we use our voice voice
we will win and we will not let anyone subvert our democracy
with what Donald Trump has been doing
as he did on the debate stage last week when again in front of
70 million people
people he openly attempted to suppress the
the vote Joe Biden on the other hand on that same debate stage
because clearly Donald
Trump doesn't think he can run on a record because it's a
failed record Joe Biden on that stage said hey just please vote
so I'll repeat what Joe said please vote thank you
Senator vice president Pence President Trump has several
times refused to commit himself to a peaceful transfer of power
after the election if Vice President Biden has declared the
winner and President Trump refuses to accept a peaceful
transfer of power what would be your role and and
responsibilities vice president what would you personally do you
have two minutes well Susan
first and foremost I think we're going to win this election
because while Joe Biden Kamala Harris rattle off a long Litany
of
the establishment in Washington DC and establishment that Joe
Biden has been a part of for 47 years President Donald Trump is
is launched a movement of everyday Americans from every
Walk of Life and I have every confidence that those the same
Americans that delivered that historic victory in 2016 they
see This president's record
where we rebuild our military we revived our economy through tax
cuts and rolling back regulation fighting for fair trade
unleashing American Energy
we appointed conservatives to our federal courts courts at
every level and and we stood with the men and women of law
enforcement every single day and I think I think that movement of
Americans has only grown stronger in the last four years
when you talk about accepting the outcome of the election I
must tell you senator your party has spent the last three and a
half years trying to overturn the results of the last election
election it's amazing when Joe Biden is vice President of the
United States the FBI
actually spied on President Trump in my campaign I mean
there were documents
released this week that the CIA actually made a referral to the
FBI documenting that those allegations were coming from the
Hillary Clinton campaign and of course we've all seen the
Avalanche with the what what you put the country through four
for the better part of three years
years until it was found there was no obstruction no collusion
case closed and then
Senator Harris you and your colleagues in the in the
Congress trying to impeach the president of the United States
over a phone call and now Hillary Clinton is actually said
to Joe Biden that under in her words under no circumstances
should he conceived the election so let me just say I think
we're going to win this election President Trump and I are
fighting every day in court house is to prevent
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris from change in the rules and creating
this universal male voting that will create a massive
opportunity for voter fraud we have a free and fair election we
know we're going to have confidence in it and I believe
in all my heart the President Donald Trump's going to be
re-elected for
four more years you know I've I've asked I've written all the
questions that I've asked tonight but for the final
question of the debate I'd like to write a reader question that
someone else wrote the Utah debate commission asked students
in the state
to write essays about what they would like to ask you and I want
to close tonight's debate with the question posed by Brooklyn
Brown she's an eighth grader at Springville Junior High in
Springville Utah and here's what she wrote quote quote when I
watch the news all I see is arguing between Democrats and
Republicans when I watch the news all all I
see is citizen fighting against citizen
when I watch the news all I see are two candidates from opposing
parties trying to tear each other down if our leaders can't
get along how are the citizens
supposed to get along and then she added your examples could
make all the difference to bring us together in quote so to each
of you in turn you take one minute and respond to Brooklyn
vice president hence you have one minute
Brooklyn It's a Wonderful question and let me
just commend you for taking an interest in in public life I
started following the news when I was very young in America
America we
believe in a free and open exchange of debate and we
celebrate that it's how we've created literally the freest and
most prosperous Nation
in the history of the world I would tell you that don't assume
that what you're seeing
on your local
news networks is synonymous with the American people you know I
look at the relationship between Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg the
late late Justice who we
lost from the Supreme Court and the late Justice Antonin Scalia
they were on Polar Opposites on the Supreme Court of the United
States one very
liberal one very conservative but what's been learned since
her passing was the two of them and
their families where the very closest of friends I mean here
in America we can disagree we can debate vigorously as Senator
Harris and I have on this stage tonight
tonight but when the debate is over we come Together As
Americans that's what people do in big cities and small towns
all across this country so I just want to encourage you
breckel and I want to tell you that we're going to work every
day to have government as good as our people and the American
people each and every day love a good debate
we love a good argument but we always come together and are
always there for one another thank you times of need and
we've especially learned that thank you for the
difficulties difficulties of this year
Senator Harris what would you say to Brooklyn first of all I
love hearing from our young leaders
and when I hear her words when I hear your words Brooklyn I know
our future is
bright because it is that perspective on who we are and
who we should be
that is a sign of leadership and is something we should all
aspire to be and
that you know that brings me to Joe Joe Joe Biden one of the
reasons that
Joe decided to run for president is after Charlottesville which
we talked about earlier it's so troubled him and upset him like
a did all of us that there was that kind of hate and Division
what
propelled
Joe to run for president was to see that over the course of the
last four years what Brooklyn described has been happening
Joe has a long-standing reputation of working across the
aisle and working in a bipartisan way way and that's
what he's going to do is present Joe Biden has a history of
lifting people up
and fighting for their dignity you mean you have to know Joe's
story to know that Joe has known pain he is known suffering and
he has known love and so Brooklyn when you think about
the future
I do believe the future is bright and it will be because of
your leadership
and it will be B because we fight for each person's voice
through their vote and we get engaged in this election because
you have the ability
through your work and through eventually your vote
thank you to determine the future of our country and what
its leadership looks looks like
thank you Senator Harris thank you vice president Pence thank
you so much for being with us tonight we want to thank also
the University of Utah for its hospitality and most of all our
thanks to all the Americans who watch this debate tonight
again our best wishes for a quick recovery to President
Trump the first lady and everyone who is battling
covid-19 the second presidential debate is next
week on October 15th a town hall-style debate in Miami we
you'll join us then good evening